FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - The Z factor
::[url=//saints.org.uk](Website)[/url]
JonB95 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star1885No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 30 201113 years325th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Apr 24 20:5230th Mar 24 11:54LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: The Z factor : Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:59 am  
'half the player Lomax is'... lol... I love Lomax but Barba had them running scared every time he took on the line. awesome turn of pace for his try. Jonny went ok at 6, we need to stop shifting him around now.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6767No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 29 200717 years244th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
31st Jul 24 22:088th Apr 24 09:16LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Now in Enemy Country
Signature
The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you.
Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.

Re: The Z factor : Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:06 pm  
Lebron James wrote:
Take the pillow out of your mouth, Stop bending over for him for a minute and stop exaggerating. He was alright. Nothing more, nothing less and still half the player lomax is


Regards

King James



I think "Pessimistic Pete" would agree he did a little more than alright, Barba showed some nice touches, very smart player seemed to be communicating well with his half backs and hooker.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16963No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 07 200916 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Nov 17 11:145th Oct 17 15:58LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -

"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"

Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior

Re: The Z factor : Sat Sep 16, 2017 9:19 pm  
Judder Man wrote:
I think "Pessimistic Pete" would agree he did a little more than alright, Barba showed some nice touches, very smart player seemed to be communicating well with his half backs and hooker.


Hang on a minute. I've not called Barba bad player and I've stated I'm big barba fan and I think He Will come good NEXT year.

Answer these questions

Is barba unfit ?
Did he deserve to walk straight in team?
Did he play poor against Wigan and Wakefield?
Did he look slow in the two games?
Was he poor under the high ball?

I was stating facts.
RankPostsTeam
International Star807No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 09 201411 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Jul 19 21:462nd Mar 18 09:36LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: The Z factor : Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:18 am  
But the problem is Pete you never mentioned.

Does he look better with the ball ?
He is linking up better ?
Is his passing game better ?

The problem is. If we was flying high top of the league i would agree with you leave him out. But the fact is the majority of the team including Lomax have let this team down this year. None of played well enough consistenly so yes they deserve to be droped or move for someone who is capable of world class performances.

If James Graham was in his pomp at Saints would you give him injections and strap him up for a game we need win, or would you not play so Greg Richards can start ?

Were in desperate need and no coach or club with a brain cell between them would not play Ben Barba its as simple as that
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16963No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 07 200916 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Nov 17 11:145th Oct 17 15:58LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -

"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"

Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior

Re: The Z factor : Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:12 am  
LFC Saint wrote:
But the problem is Pete you never mentioned.

Does he look better with the ball ?
He is linking up better ?
Is his passing game better ?

The problem is. If we was flying high top of the league i would agree with you leave him out. But the fact is the majority of the team including Lomax have let this team down this year. None of played well enough consistenly so yes they deserve to be droped or move for someone who is capable of world class performances.

If James Graham was in his pomp at Saints would you give him injections and strap him up for a game we need win, or would you not play so Greg Richards can start ?

Were in desperate need and no coach or club with a brain cell between them would not play Ben Barba its as simple as that


He's shown glimpes of what he can do with ball but certainly nothing to say he's still world class . He s doing nothing more than hardavker or Tomkins can do. His kick returns are poor at the moment but lomax been like that since his injuries


I don't think he has linked up the play as good as jonny lomax so far to be honest.. Jonny is very very good at linking the play and being the 3rd pivot

His passing game has been very hit and miss. The threw two awful passes against hudds and few more against Wigan and one resulted in gildart try.

In summary he was awful against Wigan, very poor against wakey and had decent game against hudds..yes massive improvement against hudds but let's not kid ourselves that it was the Ben barba show and was world class.

Like I said, I think he will be a good signing for us if he gets fit but can't make excuses for him because of his name..
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach6767No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 29 200717 years244th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
31st Jul 24 22:088th Apr 24 09:16LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Now in Enemy Country
Signature
The new young dynasty of super saints is coming to a ground near you.
Welsby-Dodd-Simms-Eaves-Rizzelli, not Eastmond...the future is coming.

Re: The Z factor : Sun Sep 17, 2017 11:22 am  
St pete wrote:
He's shown glimpes of what he can do with ball but certainly nothing to say he's still world class . He s doing nothing more than hardavker or Tomkins can do. His kick returns are poor at the moment but lomax been like that since his injuries


I don't think he has linked up the play as good as jonny lomax so far to be honest.. Jonny is very very good at linking the play and being the 3rd pivot

His passing game has been very hit and miss. The threw two awful passes against hudds and few more against Wigan and one resulted in gildart try.

In summary he was awful against Wigan, very poor against wakey and had decent game against hudds..yes massive improvement against hudds but let's not kid ourselves that it was the Ben barba show and was world class.

Like I said, I think he will be a good signing for us if he gets fit but can't make excuses for him because of his name..


He's getting there seems to be improving in every game, his try was what we are going to see, he skinned Leeming for pace and it was Leeming who chased Grace down in the 1st half. I,m not sure if I agree totally about his passing game, he takes the ball up right up to the point of the tackle and releases, a few of our players are not ready for that kind of stuff, Morgan in particular has over run on a couple of occasions and is taking the ball behind his shoulder.
'
Our support play when Barba is around needs to be smarter, he now seems to be communicating with Roby and Richardson to open up play in the attacking line, so hopefully there is some growth in understanding there.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16963No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 07 200916 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Nov 17 11:145th Oct 17 15:58LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -

"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"

Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior

Re: The Z factor : Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:00 pm  
Judder Man wrote:
He's getting there seems to be improving in every game, his try was what we are going to see, he skinned Leeming for pace and it was Leeming who chased Grace down in the 1st half. I,m not sure if I agree totally about his passing game, he takes the ball up right up to the point of the tackle and releases, a few of our players are not ready for that kind of stuff, Morgan in particular has over run on a couple of occasions and is taking the ball behind his shoulder.
'
Our support play when Barba is around needs to be smarter, he now seems to be communicating with Roby and Richardson to open up play in the attacking line, so hopefully there is some growth in understanding there.


It seems barba is excellent and the rest of the team are miles Beihind him? He has half decent game against hudds a team with nothing to play for and it's like who was jonny lomax .

He did throw bad passes and can't blame anyone else. I remember lomax first game after about 12 month out and half on here wanted shut and he went on to me Wayne Bennett fullback for England. Obviously your name goes along way in st Helens.

Yes we all want barba to be the best player in super league but he's got to be treated like the rest
RankPostsTeam
International Star1946No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 03 201311 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
7th Nov 18 06:0620th Oct 18 18:04LINK
Milestone Posts
1000
2500
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Superleague Titles
Warrington Wolfs - 0
Wakefield Trinity - 0
Leigh Centurions - 0

Budgiezilla wrote:
Surely it can only be a player from Catalans. Probably the best RL side I have ever witnessed in this season's comp.

Re: The Z factor : Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:04 pm  
Has a half decent game against the worst team in the super 8s and the saints fans are ejaculating. Lol
Totally agree with St Pete here

Regards

King James
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16963No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 07 200916 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Nov 17 11:145th Oct 17 15:58LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Signature
Mugwump mocking mental illness for a second time -

"You are mentally ill and I can't indulge your madness any more"

Utter disgusting abusive remark from a keyboard warrior

Re: The Z factor : Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:27 pm  
Lebron James wrote:
Has a half decent game against the worst team in the super 8s and the saints fans are ejaculating. Lol
Totally agree with St Pete here

Regards

King James


And we don't agree on much I might add.
RankPostsTeam
International Star807No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 09 201411 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Jul 19 21:462nd Mar 18 09:36LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: The Z factor : Sun Sep 17, 2017 9:59 pm  
But where was Lomaxs decent games agaisnt the worst side in the super 8's earlier this year ?

I dont think ive seen Johnny make 1 clean break this year against anyone nevermind 2 in a match.

And i'm not knocking Lomax im glad we've moved him to 6.
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 83 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to St. Helens

cron

RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0m
Realistic targets for 2025
UllFC
62
0m
Grand final Tickets
Azul
46
3m
Film game
Boss Hog
4144
3m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Barstool Pre
39
11m
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
8
25m
Sam Burgess
Wires71
24
26m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Sir Gregory
10169
33m
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3230
36m
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
Seth
22
37m
Tonights match v HKR
ratticusfinc
107
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
22s
Questions for Ste Mills
JamieRobinso
37
24s
Play-off semi-final
poplar cats
35
24s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Sir Gregory
10169
29s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62612
29s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
UllFC
3318
29s
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Big lads mat
6
30s
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
Emagdnim13
11
33s
Sam Burgess
Wires71
24
37s
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Barstool Pre
39
51s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2434
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
Seth
22
TODAY
Search Sexy Girls from your city for night - Authentic Damse
excruciating
2
TODAY
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
Emagdnim13
11
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
1
TODAY
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back Grand Finals
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
NRL
Benny Profan
2
TODAY
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth Consecutive Title
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Seeking favourite images from grounds - past or present
retrosports
1
TODAY
Grand final Tickets
Azul
46
TODAY
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Grand Final Place
Wildthing
3
TODAY
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Big lads mat
6
TODAY
Questions for Ste Mills
JamieRobinso
37
TODAY
Decision on the field
MR FRISK
17
TODAY
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Barstool Pre
39
TODAY
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
8
TODAY
2025 TRANSFER AND RETENTION RUMOURS
Encouraged
4
TODAY
Sam Burgess
Wires71
24
TODAY
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fightback To Secure Grand Final Spot
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Squad 2025
Nat (Rugby_A
1
TODAY
Tonights match v HKR
ratticusfinc
107
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
246
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
243
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
230
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
373
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
433
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
901
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
956
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1320
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1532
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1273
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1678
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1373
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1609
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1804
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2346
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sat 12th Oct
SL
18:00
Hull KR-Wigan
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 6th Oct
L1 26 Keighley6-20Hunslet
CH 29 Bradford25-12Featherstone
WSL2024 16 York V18-8St.HelensW
NRL 31 Melbourne6-14Penrith
Sat 5th Oct
CH 29 York27-10Widnes
SL 29 Wigan38-0Leigh
Fri 4th Oct
SL 29 Hull KR10-8Warrington
Sun 29th Sep
L1 25 Rochdale26-46Hunslet
CH 28 Barrow24-26Widnes
CH 28 Bradford50-0Swinton
CH 28 Dewsbury28-8Sheffield
CH28 Wakefield72-6Doncaster
CH 28 Whitehaven23-20Halifax
CH 28 York16-6Featherstone
Sat 28th Sep
CH 28 Toulouse64-16Batley
SL 28 Warrington23-22St.Helens
NRL 30 Penrith26-6Cronulla
Fri 27th Sep
SL 28 Salford6-14Leigh
NRL 30 Melbourne48-18Sydney
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 28 759 336 423 46
Hull KR 28 729 335 394 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Bradford 27 703 399 304 36
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
York 28 682 479 203 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 0 0 0 0 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0m
Realistic targets for 2025
UllFC
62
0m
Grand final Tickets
Azul
46
3m
Film game
Boss Hog
4144
3m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Barstool Pre
39
11m
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
8
25m
Sam Burgess
Wires71
24
26m
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Sir Gregory
10169
33m
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3230
36m
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
Seth
22
37m
Tonights match v HKR
ratticusfinc
107
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
22s
Questions for Ste Mills
JamieRobinso
37
24s
Play-off semi-final
poplar cats
35
24s
Transfer Talk / Rumour thread V4
Sir Gregory
10169
29s
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62612
29s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
UllFC
3318
29s
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Big lads mat
6
30s
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
Emagdnim13
11
33s
Sam Burgess
Wires71
24
37s
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Barstool Pre
39
51s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2434
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
Seth
22
TODAY
Search Sexy Girls from your city for night - Authentic Damse
excruciating
2
TODAY
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
Emagdnim13
11
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
1
TODAY
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back Grand Finals
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
NRL
Benny Profan
2
TODAY
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth Consecutive Title
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Seeking favourite images from grounds - past or present
retrosports
1
TODAY
Grand final Tickets
Azul
46
TODAY
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Grand Final Place
Wildthing
3
TODAY
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Big lads mat
6
TODAY
Questions for Ste Mills
JamieRobinso
37
TODAY
Decision on the field
MR FRISK
17
TODAY
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Barstool Pre
39
TODAY
Worst semi
Barstool Pre
8
TODAY
2025 TRANSFER AND RETENTION RUMOURS
Encouraged
4
TODAY
Sam Burgess
Wires71
24
TODAY
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fightback To Secure Grand Final Spot
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Squad 2025
Nat (Rugby_A
1
TODAY
Tonights match v HKR
ratticusfinc
107
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
246
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
243
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
230
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
373
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
433
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
901
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
956
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1320
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1532
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1273
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1678
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1373
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1609
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
1804
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2346


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!