Re: Saints v Wolfs : Fri Jun 03, 2016 9:53 pm  

Its a pity we didn't get hammered by 50 points to nil to accelerate the demise and the need to rebuild from top to bottom. KC can't rescue this situation now as the players insult the "saints shirt". I'll sleep on it until morning but that game is probably the last game for me now, I support the "real saints" not this shower of coaching and players rabble this season who just don't have any guts,determination and pride in the club, we could be 2 or 3 seasons away from being the next Bradford.

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:05 pm  

Must admit - not seen a Saints attack as bereft of ideas as that for a long long time - if ever.

You had enough ball but....

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Fri Jun 03, 2016 10:39 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Its a pity we didn't get hammered by 50 points to nil to accelerate the demise and the need to rebuild from top to bottom. KC can't rescue this situation now as the players insult the "saints shirt". I'll sleep on it until morning but that game is probably the last game for me now, I support the "real saints" not this shower of coaching and players rabble this season who just don't have any guts,determination and pride in the club, we could be 2 or 3 seasons away from being the next Bradford.

Watching Saints tonight did remind me of Bradford around 08/09/10.

Not the worst team in the comp, but just bang average and more importantly, just boring to watch. I actually enjoy watching Bradford more now than i did in those years.

We signed players from average teams, the likes of Chris Nero, Paul Sykes, Michael Worrincy, (exactly what saints are doing at the moment) and we just became average and a mid table boring team. Never bad enough to finish bottom, but a million miles away from challenging for honours.

Fans started to drift away and McNamara should have been sacked. But our board stood by him and the boring averagness continued. The rest is history.

Don't think it will get that bad for saints, but if the board stick by Cunningham like the Bulls did with Mcnamara, Saints will be an average team playing in front of 7k.

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:19 pm  

KC won't be getting sacked. McManus isn't going to press the big red button like that. He'll no doubt seek comfort in the fact that Warrington finished 6th last season, Hull finished 8th, Catalans finished 7th but they all stuck with their coaches and are being rewarded this season.

This season is a utter write off. Depressing.

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Fri Jun 03, 2016 11:44 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

Yes, or make him take a big pay cut.

Only sentiment could blind us to the fact that he's lost his pace and his agility. Surely we learned our lesson playing Wellens long after he'd lost his legs?

Three Wire tries tonight could be put directly down to Lonax not being able to be where he needed to be.

Lomax is shot. He can stay if he doesn't cost much. But unless his salary's been cut since pre-injury, he's taking far too big a slice of the cap for what he contributes.

I disagree - first try he got caught in the line because we had a late retreater, wasn't really his job to be there. Same with the second in that we needed another defender on that side where Amor was. Third one he had to join the line because they had a 3 on 2 on the blindside otherwise. Trying too hard to cover for his teammates, and ended up defending in the line too often as a result of it.

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Sat Jun 04, 2016 6:17 am  

Must admit I expected a bigger drubbing than we got.

I'm not a fan of Walsh but add him to that side together with Percival and Making on and we would have had a lot more fire power but even so we're very predictable.

I know Warrington had players missing but they had their first choice players in key positions.

I can't recall the last time we had our first choice three quarter line in place, I'm not even too sure what it is..

This season is a right off by the time we split into the super eight the top four will be clear of the pack so it's unlikely we can catch anything up.

We need to be making a shopping list now for what we need to strengthen the team fir next year.

In a few months the club are going to be trying to promote offers for next year's season tickets..........they'll need to come up with some significant names before I'll be parting with my hard earned cash

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:06 am  

The Hoodoo is now well and truly over and put to bed.

I fully admit that prior to the game I was concerned but after 5 minutes I could see you had nothing in attack and your defence was average. On twitter Saints fans had been saying to me how poor Saints were but its only after seeing you last night that I can agree. At the 50 minute mark the game was won and our players took their foot well off the gas and merely went through the motions. At the 65th minute we rested Gidley & Sandow. If we wanted to we could have put 40 plus points on the score board. That was the chasm between our 2 teams last night.

In KC's defence he didn't drop the ball and throw passes into touch. Nor did he make basic errors. On the walk back to the Chalon St car park listening to Saints fans you were both stunned and in despair. I think the top 4 is set now and it will take a monumental collapse by 1 of us for Saints to get into it.

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Sat Jun 04, 2016 8:42 am  

What a sad dismal night full stop, first few minutes once we heard the death march, oh when the Saints, who came up with that? then it was just shocking, the backs are bad, but the forwards are no better, all the props manage is two steps forward, no one with real passing skills, even Roby cut a sad figure the player has been burned out in bad pack, there are so many players who have little between their ears, no rugby brain. Never did I think I would see the Wigan walk and so early as well.

Are Catalan going to roll over next week? doubt it

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:25 am  

Saints at the present time IMO the most poorly coached Saints side since the Murphy days.

However its not just Saints who are being poorly coached, it is across the league, which is awash with British coaches of limited ability. Its why Saints currently sit in fifth place despite being inept in many areas.

Gone are the days of teams being improved by Australasian coaches who develop players skills and who impart professionalism.

There are a number of players at Saints who were good and have declined in performance over the last two years. It is not a case of some players going past their peak, we have seen reductions in standard from players in their mid twenties as well as the kids.

ive always said that you can judge the coaching level of a side by the teams ability to defend. Teams with class players such as Saints (and yes we do possess them) should be able to attack. It is in the defensive department which is about structure, technique and communication that we fall down on.

I have some sympathy for KC as he was offered the top job when he wasn't ready. For me he needed a number of years running the academy or reserves. As it is, his good name and reputation is being damaged.

The natural cat call is to sack the coach. There however lies a problem with this. RFL rules pretty much rule out the signing of an Australasian coach unless they meet the following criteria.

1. head coach of a National team of grade 1 standard eg Australia, New Zealand, GB/England
2.Head coach of State of Origin
3. Head coach NRL first grade.

Link:http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/RFL%20GBE%20requirements%202015%20-%20Approved%2001.12.14.pdf

Every single British club has now got a domestic coach. The salary requirements of coaches who meet the above standard are way beyond what British clubs can meet. Its why big clubs like Saints/Leeds/Wigan have Brits in charge, its why we may have to stick it out with KC and give him time to learn.

For anyone shouting out about Darryl Powell I would say yes he has improved Castleford. However he was previously at a big club Leeds and was sacked for not being upto scratch. He would improve on what is currently on offer at Saints, however he is not IMO of the required standard.

Finally, has Longy left the club? He used to sit next to KC, but ive not noticed him sat there recently.

Re: Saints v Wolfs : Sat Jun 04, 2016 9:42 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Saints at the present time IMO the most poorly coached Saints side since the Murphy days.

However its not just Saints who are being poorly coached, it is across the league, which is awash with British coaches of limited ability. Its why Saints currently sit in fifth place despite being inept in many areas.

Gone are the days of teams being improved by Australasian coaches who develop players skills and who impart professionalism.

There are a number of players at Saints who were good and have declined in performance over the last two years. It is not a case of some players going past their peak, we have seen reductions in standard from players in their mid twenties as well as the kids.

ive always said that you can judge the coaching level of a side by the teams ability to defend. Teams with class players such as Saints (and yes we do possess them) should be able to attack. It is in the defensive department which is about structure, technique and communication that we fall down on.

I have some sympathy for KC as he was offered the top job when he wasn't ready. For me he needed a number of years running the academy or reserves. As it is, his good name and reputation is being damaged.

The natural cat call is to sack the coach. There however lies a problem with this. RFL rules pretty much rule out the signing of an Australasian coach unless they meet the following criteria.

1. head coach of a National team of grade 1 standard eg Australia, New Zealand, GB/England
2.Head coach of State of Origin
3. Head coach NRL first grade.

Link:http://media.therfl.co.uk/docs/RFL%20GBE%20requirements%202015%20-%20Approved%2001.12.14.pdf

Every single British club has now got a domestic coach. The salary requirements of coaches who meet the above standard are way beyond what British clubs can meet. Its why big clubs like Saints/Leeds/Wigan have Brits in charge, its why we may have to stick it out with KC and give him time to learn.

For anyone shouting out about Darryl Powell I would say yes he has improved Castleford. However he was previously at a big club Leeds and was sacked for not being upto scratch. He would improve on what is currently on offer at Saints, however he is not IMO of the required standard.

Finally, has Longy left the club? He used to sit next to KC, but ive not noticed him sat there recently.

Sat next to him last night. I hear he had money on Warrington by 18.