Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:42 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I think we would lose less putting Tommy to FB than swift.

Tommy has played FB a few times, he is safe under pressure with a high ball. Swift due to his size can get crowded out on high kicks. Swift returns the ball better and can make something from nothing, but he can do that on the wing just as well as he can do at FB.

I also think Makinson has in the past been a good organiser of the defensive line.

Swift would probably chime into the line better than Makinson from FB, but for me Makinson is the better choice at FB in the short term.

Teams will just kick to Tommy all the as he's a poor kick returner. He basically hits the ground on impact. He never beats a man and never puts us on the front foot.

Thst first kick return is the most important run of the set, it can determine how the set pans out by who wins the ptb. All last year we struggled with kick returns as Quinlan was poor on kick returns and thst sets the tone for the set.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Sun Feb 21, 2016 1:57 pm  

St pete wrote:

Teams will just kick to Tommy all the as he's a poor kick returner. He basically hits the ground on impact. He never beats a man and never puts us on the front foot.

Thst first kick return is the most important run of the set, it can determine how the set pans out by who wins the ptb. All last year we struggled with kick returns as Quinlan was poor on kick returns and thst sets the tone for the set.

Got to agree with St Pete here, Swift isn,t much of a liability on high kicks these days, his kick returns is very likely meaning we are completing our set in the opponents half and applying pressure. Swift has a lot of upper body strength these days and is more likely to find ground with a quicker play the ball. Makinson use to get held up, mauled, pulled on his back and the opposing defence is set.
On the subject of high kicks, our full back whoever it is, does not get enough protection from our own players, quite often we allow the opposition to have a free direct run to our full back, for Owens it makes him very nervy.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Sun Feb 21, 2016 10:58 pm  

jaybs wrote:

Tend to think that is even more silly lol, a lot of IF'S, come on £200 car and three years of trouble free motoring, in your dreams.

Three years, two months and six days - to be exact.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Sun Feb 21, 2016 11:01 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Three years, two months and six days - to be exact.

You really shouldn't boast about stuff like that. You'll be forking out hundreds next week if the gods are listening.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:49 am  

Saddened! wrote:

You really shouldn't boast about stuff like that. You'll be forking out hundreds next week if the gods are listening.

I've forked out plenty in my time. By my way of thinking I'm owed some luck.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Fri Mar 25, 2016 4:11 pm  

If we don't have a single back better than Jack Owens in the junior sides, we should be sacking every single member of the coaching and recruitment staff.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Fri Mar 25, 2016 5:49 pm  

Roy Haggerty wrote:

If we don't have a single back better than Jack Owens in the junior sides, we should be sacking every single member of the coaching and recruitment staff.

Let's not single out just Owen's here. Mcdonnell is just as bad, he's terrified of contact and can't beat a man.

Dawson is just not good enough.

Tommy waste of space unless 1 meter from the line.

Walsh terrified of contact.

That's just the backs

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:21 pm  

St pete wrote:

Let's not single out just Owen's here. Mcdonnell is just as bad, he's terrified of contact and can't beat a man.

Dawson is just not good enough.

Tommy waste of space unless 1 meter from the line.

Walsh terrified of contact.

That's just the backs

I agree, worst set of backs the club has ever had. I'd swap them for Aitcheson, Hayes, Arnold, Fulton and Brimah Kebbie.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:54 pm  

St pete wrote:

I'll think of Owens as a Nissan Micra forever more

More a Robin Reliant I'd say.

Re: Is Jack Owens the worst Saints signing of the past decad : Sun Mar 27, 2016 4:57 pm  

twosevenzero wrote:

More a Robin Reliant I'd say.

Reliant ? Don't think so