Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:19 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

LOL. Don't you think this question is better asked on CONSULTANTFANS.COM?

Cool, a hr expert.

So why are group dynamics different in a rugby team compared to any other group working on a project?

You also didn't answer my question.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:20 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

If you think - say - a British player with TWO GAMES under his belt for his new club in the NRL will be able to get away with railroading experienced players who might have 5 or 10 hard years under the hood you haven't watched enough NRL.

We're not in the amateur era any more. This is a highly competitive game with not just positions but entire careers at stake.

But we will see. By your rationale guys like Roby and Wilkin will have no problem whatsoever with Travis Burns if he gets in their faces following a mistake this game or next.

But we know he won't. Because Burns is enough of a professional to know new players are under serious scrutiny from their first game.

And no - I wouldn't expect any kid who has spent four or five years in the academy to meekly take stick from Paul Gallen with two games under his belt (not that I'd expect Gallen to give it). The minute you arrive at a new club you are back to zero in terms of achievement. Certainly his teammates aren't likely to give him anything for nothing. Indeed, he could just as easily be the next Bradley Clyde whose stellar reputation amounted to precisely ZERO at Leeds.

Absolute nonsense. You are showing a huge lack of understanding.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:33 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

That stuff is for the amateur days.

I'm sure that in any club there will be a small minority of players misguided/arrogant enough to disregard the achievements and leadership qualities of others out of hand.

I really have no idea why you might identify so wholeheartedly with that point of view

I wonder why Tim Sheens is heading to Salford for a while, clearly his input is no more valuable that anyone else at Salford given he's never worked there . . . . .

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:37 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Cool, a hr expert.

So why are group dynamics different in a rugby team compared to any other group working on a project?

You also didn't answer my question.

If you want someone to explain the manifold differences between sport and business find someone else. I've already wasted too much energy on what should be elementary understanding.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:41 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Absolute nonsense. You are showing a huge lack of understanding.

You said that the last time.

It didn't convince me then. It doesn't convince me now.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:52 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I'm sure that in any club there will be a small minority of players misguided/arrogant enough to disregard the achievements and leadership qualities of others out of hand.

I really have no idea why you might identify so wholeheartedly with that point of view

So you want kids to be in awe of reputation? Is that it?

I remember when Saints were in awe of Wigan's reputation for the best part of a decade. Half the time we were beat before we even set foot on the pitch.

It was no co-incidence that when the generation of kids such as Danny Arnold, Joey Hayes, Prescott etc. emerged we saw a marked difference in attitude against Wigan. Those lads weren't burdened with a decade of humiliation and respected precisely no one.

I don't want any player worshipping the ground his team-mate walks on. I'd much prefer he cut his throat for the position (in the nicest possible way).

I wonder why Tim Sheens is heading to Salford for a while, clearly his input is no more valuable that anyone else at Salford given he's never worked there . . . . .

I'm sure Sheens will do was well as the host of REPUTATION PLAYERS Salford have foolishly invested in. Where were they against Saints?

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:05 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

You said that the last time.

It didn't convince me then. It doesn't convince me now.

Can you explain then how Terry Campese has been named Hull KR captain before he'd played for the club if all players start on zero at a new club?

Wasn't Morley named Salford captain in his first year there too?

I'm sure there's plenty other examples I could find.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 5:50 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Can you explain then how Terry Campese has been named Hull KR captain before he'd played for the club if all players start on zero at a new club?

How many trophies have Hull KR won in the last forty years?

QED.

Wasn't Morley named Salford captain in his first year there too?

How many trophies have Salford won in the last forty years?

QED.

I'm sure there's plenty other examples I could find.

If they are anything like the above I wouldn't bother. Besides, I've wasted enough time explaining the obvious in this thread. If you want players to work themselves up into a creamy lather every time some "Reputation" signs on the dotted line - fine.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:01 pm  

More utter rubbish being spouted again. I'm sure it's a joke account and somebody messing around.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 7:14 pm  

St pete wrote:

More utter rubbish being spouted again. I'm sure it's a joke account and somebody messing around.

Although I don't agree with him, he is entitled to his opinion.

I remember the vitriolic comments when Maguire announced a leadership team (even some on the Wigan board) and now it's something that other clubs have copied. Strange world isn't it?