Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:11 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I've always seen Crosby as a bigger version of Clough.

To be fair, a big Paul Clough would be a top prop!

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:18 pm  

SLS wrote:

Honestly don't care. Sometimes it's necessary to provide a balance to the amount of hyperbole that comes out of Wiganer's mouths. They're in a world of their own with their views most of the time.

Every Wiganer is awesome. Everyone else is poop. That pretty much sums them up.

However much we hope it for, those buggers won't go away. Their pack will be pretty much as good as it has been and we've far from had things our own way against them lately.

You may take umbrage at them constantly bigging up their own players, but swinging things the other way is like putting chum in the water for Rogues and his gang of superpies to come on fill our board with their opinions, which no one really wants.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:24 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

Fair enough mate. You are entitled to your opinions and you have plenty of them.

One or two hostages to fortune in that lot. You do seem to see things in black and white. "Gelling is crap" , "Bowen is woeful" , "Tomkins has shown nothing" etc etc. Still - as Offside Monkey warned you - you do seem to be setting yourself up for a fall.

More because I can't be bothered going into real detail on here as it simply isn't worth it. Not for a group of supporters who label Gildart, who hasn't even played a SL game yet, as the best young centre in the comp (oh, how we laughed). Even here, we've got another of your daft lot ranting about how fast Hampshire is. Another that's proven love all. If I wanted pace, I'd sign Kevin Penny. Means nothing.

Any group of supporters that truly try and tell everyone that Gelling is a good rugby player quite evidently aren't to be taken seriously.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 4:54 pm  

SLS wrote:

More because I can't be bothered going into real detail on here as it simply isn't worth it. Not for a group of supporters who label Gildart, who hasn't even played a SL game yet, as the best young centre in the comp (oh, how we laughed). Even here, we've got another of your daft lot ranting about how fast Hampshire is. Another that's proven love all. If I wanted pace, I'd sign Kevin Penny. Means nothing.

Any group of supporters that truly try and tell everyone that Gelling is a good rugby player quite evidently aren't to be taken seriously.

A group - show me! I think it was one person

You mentioned the pedestrian Wigan halves, I just corrected you.

Gelling IS a better centre than Turner or Jones. I do like Percival and mentioned him three or four years back as one to watch.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:28 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

A group - show me! I think it was one person

You mentioned the pedestrian Wigan halves, I just corrected you.

Gelling IS a better centre than Turner or Jones. I do like Percival and mentioned him three or four years back as one to watch.

Definition of pedestrian: lacking inspiration or excitement; dull.

Not sure what you're going on about but it's cool. You keep going,

Gelling is absolutely crap. Jordan Turner was a good enough rugby player to switch to first receiver mid season and lead his team to a Grand Final victory. Should Wigan EVER use Gelling at first receiver, somebody please let me know as I'd be willing to drive wherever to watch that comedy. Must see viewing. I do wonder how Wiganers would rate Gelling if he wore a HKR shirt. Doesn't even have the basic skillset of a rugby player, let alone a centre. Makes 2/3 errors a game that cost Wigan the game, but it's alright cos he made 700 metres.

Josh Jones is a back rower as he doesn't have the skillset of a centre. He does offer nice depth there though. At least Saints recognised this. Your incredibly overrated sack of poop from over the lump went from Ian Thornley to Anthony Gelling (:)). Then you've all got the comic genius to lecture the RL community on your 'depth'.

Brilliant.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:56 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

A group - show me! I think it was one person

.

Aye, it was me and as he'll probably know I later expanded on my point to say I thought Gildart was the best young centre about, yet to make his debut at first team level but that obviously doesn't fit in with his rant!

I struggling with people quoting SLS in truth though. He's literally the only person I've never been bothered about replying to as he's quite clearly on the wind up! He's the sole member of my blocked list but I'm still seeing his drivel!

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:21 pm  

SLS wrote:

More because I can't be bothered going into real detail on here as it simply isn't worth it. Not for a group of supporters who label Gildart, who hasn't even played a SL game yet, as the best young centre in the comp (oh, how we laughed). Even here, we've got another of your daft lot ranting about how fast Hampshire is. Another that's proven love all. If I wanted pace, I'd sign Kevin Penny. Means nothing.

Any group of supporters that truly try and tell everyone that Gelling is a good rugby player quite evidently aren't to be taken seriously.

So pace means nothing?

Give a player a full skillset in any sport then add pace and you have the full package. How many players have you looked at and thought "if only he had pace"?

Or have I taken your comments out of context perhaps?

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:24 pm  

SLS is in danger of looking very silly come October; a bit like the likes of bazdev did last year on here and other forums.

What I don't understand is how you can slate Wigan so much and rip their team apart, before saying our teams are quite even and it'll be a real tussle between us. That doesn't say much for us.

For what its worth I do think the teams are fairly even but our superiority at 1,6,7 and 9 tips the balance in our favour. A fit Lomax, Burns, Walsh and Roby is comfortably better than Bowen, Williams, Smith and McIlorum.

Wigan are probably stronger in the three quarters. Gelling started his Super League career as a laughing stock but he was one of the most improved players in Super League last year. He is still prone to an error or two and his handling needs improving but he is a strong runner and makes good yardage with the ball more often than not. Sarginson is another one who improved as the season went on and he looks like he has found his position now. He was excellent for England in the Four Nations. Wigan just about shade the wingers too but again there isn't much in it.

Wigan have the stronger back row I think but I'd have Bateman over Tomkins as I just don't get the hype with him. His surname carries him a long way. Bateman, Farrell and O'Loughlin are all top players though, the latter two especially.

I rate Flower and Crosby but I think we edge it in the props. Patrick is a hybrid prop/back rower and Mossop is overrated for me and also has shoulders made of biscuit.
Amor, Walmsley and Masoe all had excellent patches throughout the year and if they hit that form for longer periods then they will be very hard to handle. Amor would have played for England had it not been for his knee injury. Add Richards and Thompson to the mix and we have a good set of props there. We have the better quality at prop but Wigan have more quantity.

Overall there isn't much in it but I don't think there is a stronger squad than ours in Super League. That isn't to say I think we will win everything; I just don't look at any other squad and feel inferior.

I'm confident the silverware will be shared between Saints, Wigan and Warrington.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:34 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

SLS is in danger of looking very silly come October; a bit like the likes of bazdev did last year on here and other forums.

What I don't understand is how you can slate Wigan so much and rip their team apart, before saying our teams are quite even and it'll be a real tussle between us. That doesn't say much for us.

For what its worth I do think the teams are fairly even but our superiority at 1,6,7 and 9 tips the balance in our favour. A fit Lomax, Burns, Walsh and Roby is comfortably better than Bowen, Williams, Smith and McIlorum.

Wigan are probably stronger in the three quarters. Gelling started his Super a league career as a laughing stock but he was one of the most improved players in Super League last year. He is still prone to an error or two and his handling needs improving but he is a strong runner and makes good yardage with the ball more often than not. Sarginson is another one who improved as the season went on and he looks like he has found his position now. He was excellent for England in the Four Nations. Wigan just about shade the wingers too but again there isn't much in it.

Wigan have the stronger back row I think but I'd have Bateman over Tomkins as I just don't get the hype with him. His surname carries him a long way. Bateman, Farrell and O'Loughlin are all top players though, the latter two especially.

I rate Flower and Crosby but I think we edge it in the props. Patrick is a hybrid prop/back rower and Mossop is overrated for me and also has shoulders made of biscuit.
Amor, Walmsley and Masoe all had excellent patches throughout the year and if they hit that form for longer periods than they are very hard to handle. Amor would have played for England had it not been for his knee injury. Add Richards and Thompson to the mix and we have a good set of props there. We have the better quality at prop but Wigan have more quantity.

Overall there isn't much in it but I don't think there is a stronger squad than ours in Super League. That isn't to say I think we will win everything; I just don't look at any other squad and feel inferior.

I'm confident the silverware will be shared between Saints, Wigan and Warrington.

I wondered where you had got to? A bit of sense at last. Just two things though. It's a bit early to rate Burns and I think you underestimate Tomkins, especially his defence and leadership qualities. But it's all opinion.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:43 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

SLS is in danger of looking very silly come October; a bit like the likes of bazdev did last year on here and other forums.

What I don't understand is how you can slate Wigan so much and rip their team apart, before saying our teams are quite even and it'll be a real tussle between us. That doesn't say much for us.

For what its worth I do think the teams are fairly even but our superiority at 1,6,7 and 9 tips the balance in our favour. A fit Lomax, Burns, Walsh and Roby is comfortably better than Bowen, Williams, Smith and McIlorum.

Wigan are probably stronger in the three quarters. Gelling started his Super a league career as a laughing stock but he was one of the most improved players in Super League last year. He is still prone to an error or two and his handling needs improving but he is a strong runner and makes good yardage with the ball more often than not. Sarginson is another one who improved as the season went on and he looks like he has found his position now. He was excellent for England in the Four Nations. Wigan just about shade the wingers too but again there isn't much in it.

Wigan have the stronger back row I think but I'd have Bateman over Tomkins as I just don't get the hype with him. His surname carries him a long way. Bateman, Farrell and O'Loughlin are all top players though, the latter two especially.

I rate Flower and Crosby but I think we edge it in the props. Patrick is a hybrid prop/back rower and Mossop is overrated for me and also has shoulders made of biscuit.
Amor, Walmsley and Masoe all had excellent patches throughout the year and if they hit that form for longer periods than they are very hard to handle. Amor would have played for England had it not been for his knee injury. Add Richards and Thompson to the mix and we have a good set of props there. We have the better quality at prop but Wigan have more quantity.

Overall there isn't much in it but I don't think there is a stronger squad than ours in Super League. That isn't to say I think we will win everything; I just don't look at any other squad and feel inferior.

I'm confident the silverware will be shared between Saints, Wigan and Warrington.

This.
A very balanced summary and personally I hope that Catalan will also be in the mix