Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:14 pm  

Top Saint wrote:

We are at the end of one of the worst periods in Saints history. Some of our recently departed players wouldn't nave been classed as reserves 10 years ago. We are at present rebuilding the squad to get back to where we think we deserve to be. We're not there yet but we finished top. You didn't make the 8. My comment was merely a dose of reality.

See you next season with what I am certain will be a far different result.

Have you looked at your record at Craven Park in the 9 years we have been in Super League? You had some of your better teams in that period. No dose of reality needed. KR fans are only too aware of our present situation. I was only commenting on what I saw of Burns after watching him every week home and away. However if making snide remarks makes you happy.....

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Thu Sep 18, 2014 3:16 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

He'll be on something close to that next year but with nice appearance bonuses added on.

I agree we could look really good again for next year but I think another 2nd rower is needed. Having a proper 6 and 7 is almost unheard of for us and it's makes us instantly more dangerous to opposition sides.

Lomax
Makinson
Turner
Percival
Swift
Burns
Walsh
Amor
Roby
Walmsley
LMS/NEW SIGNING
Vea
Wilkin

is as good as anything in Super League.

Hohaia
Masoe
Thompson
NEW SIGNING / LMS

isn't half bad either. With the following squad members:

Wellens, Dawson, Hewitt, Charnock, Richards, Walker, Greenwood, Flanagan, Savelio, Beaumont (?)

Sounds great, but you've got to include Wellens in the 17. This season has proven beyond doubt that he'll never be dropped, he'll play every game he's fit for. Wherever you put him, it weakens things considerably.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:04 pm  

just shows how the standard of sl players has fallen sharply,when an average player like burns is lauded has a great signing.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:10 pm  

ditchley16 wrote:

just shows how the standard of sl players has fallen sharply,when an average player like burns is lauded has a great signing.

Haha. Hull fan by any chance? Don't be bitter son.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Thu Sep 18, 2014 9:44 pm  

ditchley16 wrote:

just shows how the standard of sl players has fallen sharply,when an average player like burns is lauded has a great signing.

You should be an expert on cr&p half backs being a duller,burns is quality,you would have loved to have a good 100% half back like burns,still you've got pryce and his zimmer,your club is like a rest home for ageing players.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Thu Sep 18, 2014 10:22 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

He'll be on something close to that next year but with nice appearance bonuses added on.

I agree we could look really good again for next year but I think another 2nd rower is needed. Having a proper 6 and 7 is almost unheard of for us and it's makes us instantly more dangerous to opposition sides.

Lomax
Makinson
Turner
Percival
Swift
Burns
Walsh
Amor
Roby
Walmsley
LMS/NEW SIGNING
Vea
Wilkin

is as good as anything in Super League.

Hohaia
Masoe
Thompson
NEW SIGNING / LMS

isn't half bad either. With the following squad members:

Wellens, Dawson, Hewitt, Charnock, Richards, Walker, Greenwood, Flanagan, Savelio, Beaumont (?)

Jones? Or have I missed something....?

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Thu Sep 18, 2014 11:02 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

A 6 and a 7 wonders will never cease.

When can we start the scapegoating

Can we start now please?

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 5:46 am  

St pete wrote:

Burns is a good player. He's clever, can run with the ball, good kicking game, tackles and is very aggressive but he's also a winner. He's a very good competitor and that's what we lack in this team.

If we keep him and Walsh fully fit then we got a quality halfback pairing and something we not had in Many years.

your right about him being competitive and if he can get the rest of the team feeling the same you should be ok, but personally I don't think his running or kicking game is that good. tends to run down a lot of blind alleys and always finds the fb with his kicks, in a better team he could really flourish though. I guess we'll see next season.

good luck to him.

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 9:32 am  

Keiththered wrote:

Have you looked at your record at Craven Park in the 9 years we have been in Super League? You had some of your better teams in that period. No dose of reality needed. KR fans are only too aware of our present situation. I was only commenting on what I saw of Burns after watching him every week home and away. However if making snide remarks makes you happy.....

Please enlighten me as to which remarks were 'Snide'. I merely think it is very hard for a player to perform to his best every week without help from his team mates. His drop off in form was probably when he realised he was the only player trying to win every week. It also could have something to do with knowing he was leaving.

At Saints he won't be expected to carry the team every week, he may be asked to carry that burden occasionally but most of the time he will be part of a structure ( one spoke on the wheel as it were).

Re: Welcome to St Helens Travis Burns : Fri Sep 19, 2014 11:12 am  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

We aren't at the cap. We have space for another signing after Burns.
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You say that we are not at the cap but you have absolutely no way of knowing that.

Its not a simple case of looking at the outs and ins.

Many of the younger players have had their contracts upgraded and that also needs to be factored in.

Alex W has been playing under an academy contract so he for one will have been given a big hike.

Unless you are on the senior club staff not sure how you could declare whether there is any wiggle room in the cap.