Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 7:55 am  

Judder Man wrote:

Wellens appears to have the "streak" to rip into the players and seems to be on the same wavelenth of McManus, so who knows!

Shouting isn't always the best way. I know this from my time as a Military Instructor at a Recruit Depot. Basically, if people don't want to buy in to what you want to achieve then they just won't.

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 7:57 am  

Warrington Wolf wrote:

Shouting isn't always the best way. I know this from my time as a Military Instructor at a Recruit Depot. Basically, if people don't want to buy in to what you want to achieve then they just won't.

Who said anything about shouting?

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 8:00 am  

Harry Pinner wrote:

We've some catching up to do before we reach wigan's 90's/00's coach consumption rate though.

True, but with the exceptions of Agent Millward who was abysmal and Dennis Betts who found himself in a position he clearly wasn't ready for, we only tended to sack the successful ones. By today's standards across Super League, Graeme West and Uncle Frank were world class!

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 9:21 am  

One of your physios who I know quite well attended a meeting of the players and coaches last season and the blame for poor form was put squarely on his shoulders He, effectively, was sacked even though he walked out...Since that day he's never been happier.

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 11:27 am  

Potter no passion. Simmons no passion. Brown no passion. Noble at the pie dome no passion. Macguire at the pie dome filled with passion. Guy the gorilla filled with passion.

What is needed is a coach that is overflowing with passion that can instill the same into his players.

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 12:33 pm  

redex113 wrote:

Potter no passion. Simmons no passion. Brown no passion. Noble at the pie dome no passion. Macguire at the pie dome filled with passion. Guy the gorilla filled with passion.

What is needed is a coach that is overflowing with passion that can instill the same into his players.

Millward plenty of passion, and is arguably our most under achieving coach out of the lot in hindsight, given the teams he had at his disposal!

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 1:38 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Millward plenty of passion, and is arguably our most under achieving coach out of the lot in hindsight, given the teams he had at his disposal!

Our most successful coach!

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 1:45 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Our most successful coach!

If people can suggest Anderson under achieved with the squad he had in his time I can suggest Millward did!

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 4:19 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

He doesn't necessarily need to spend time away from the club, but he needs to spend more time in the background - he will only be ready when everyone around the club remember him as a coach from the first day they were at the club. Right now, he'd be coaching players he played with, let alone started coaching as youngsters, and that's a bad position to be in.

Whether he spends the time at another club lower down the divisions, or in the back ground of saints is his choice - but he certainly isn't ready for top job (though I'd love to be proven wrong - imo we need a coach to be able to come in and work long term, too many times have we had coaches for a couple of years then move on - there's no consistency in that!)

I agree he needs to be in the background - but he needs experience of something other than saints. Hes known nothing else - a fresh outlook is what he needs with a wider experience.

Re: Cunningham : Wed May 21, 2014 4:24 pm  

jools wrote:

I agree he needs to be in the background - but he needs experience of something other than saints. Hes known nothing else - a fresh outlook is what he needs with a wider experience.

Don't actually agree. He's had a very wide range of coaches he's played under - which is the important fact. Players like fielden who only ever played under noble really would struggle as they would only know 1 routine, but Kieran has seen how McRae, Hanley, Millward, Anderson, Potter, Simmons, Rush and now Brown has done it - which is the same variation he'd get from moving around different clubs. He's picked and chosen what he's taken from each of the coaches, and can bring that now - I just thinks he needs to see a few more as an assistant, it doesn't matter where.