Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:52 am  

dubairl wrote:

you should watch it back he was immense and probably out scooted Roby. In defence he just controls the line speed (which killed you yesterday) and he just kept us going forward all day.

But you know it's not Roby marking MM right ?


I know Wigan is a football town and you rent off at football team but man marking isn't rugby league, it's football.

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 7:57 am  

Individual handling and defensive errors costs us. We just weren't at the races. I don't think Wigan had to play particularly well.

That's been coming for the past 3/4 weeks.

Anyway, if I was a Wigan fan I'd say that we were distracted by the cup.

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:02 am  

Albion wrote:

Individual handling and defensive errors costs us. We just weren't at the races. I don't think Wigan had to play particularly well.

That's been coming for the past 3/4 weeks.

Anyway, if I was a Wigan fan I'd say that we were distracted by the cup.

I've just posted on another thread how the Easter fixtures are tough unless your Wigan and it's crazy having the cc the week after Easter.

Wigan rested players against London last week for Good Friday. They can rest players at home to the bulls on Monday and then rest players against another championship side the week after Easter. Also add the championship side they played two week a go.

The RFL have been very kind to Wigan over the busy Easter period. Why other teams are preparing for two local derby games in four days then cc the following week, Wigan have had the chance to rest players for a month.

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:12 am  

St pete wrote:

I've just posted on another thread how the Easter fixtures are tough unless your Wigan and it's crazy having the cc the week after Easter.

Wigan rested players against London last week for Good Friday. They can rest players at home to the bulls on Monday and then rest players against another championship side the week after Easter. Also add the championship side they played two week a go.

The RFL have been very kind to Wigan over the busy Easter period. Why other teams are preparing for two local derby games in four days then cc the following week, Wigan have had the chance to rest players for a month.

only Wigan fans can use the 'distraction' excuse!

But yes, fixture list and the draw hasn't been kind to us at all

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:37 am  

The mind boggles with you thinking 1-25 you are better than us on paper.Severely deluded!We have a winning mentality installed at wigan these days in certain games in jst glad it works on games against you.

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:11 am  

St pete wrote:

I've just posted on another thread how the Easter fixtures are tough unless your Wigan and it's crazy having the cc the week after Easter.

Wigan rested players against London last week for Good Friday. They can rest players at home to the bulls on Monday and then rest players against another championship side the week after Easter. Also add the championship side they played two week a go.

The RFL have been very kind to Wigan over the busy Easter period. Why other teams are preparing for two local derby games in four days then cc the following week, Wigan have had the chance to rest players for a month.

I do think this was a definite factor.

I also think that psychologically if the players have been told that Mondays game will basically be an under 19's fixture for Saints that they will have had less focus on Wigan because they will know that the cup game is the clubs key priority.

Certainly I noticed that Saints players were not keen to go for a number of 50/50 balls, almost as if they didn't want to get injured and miss next week. Wigan players had no such qualms. They knew they could put 110% into this game then relax over the next couple of weeks. This included going in hard on tackles. If a Saints player went high in a tackle he could get a 2 game ban and miss the Leeds game. If a Wigan player went high or clumsy they would merely miss a training run against a championship side that they would not even have played in anyhow.


On a side note. I reckon that Wigan already have a 50% chance of getting to Wembley, as I think there is only a fully committed Saints or Leeds team that could provide a serious threat to halting their progress to the final.

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 9:16 am  

The Chair Maker wrote:

I do think this was a definite factor.

I also think that psychologically if the players have been told that Mondays game will basically be an under 19's fixture for Saints that they will have had less focus on Wigan because they will know that the cup game is the clubs key priority.

Certainly I noticed that Saints players were not keen to go for a number of 50/50 balls, almost as if they didn't want to get injured and miss next week. Wigan players had no such qualms. They knew they could put 110% into this game then relax over the next couple of weeks. This included going in hard on tackles. If a Saints player went high in a tackle he could get a 2 game ban and miss the Leeds game. If a Wigan player went high or clumsy they would merely miss a training run against a championship side that they would not even have played in anyhow.


On a side note. I reckon that Wigan already have a 50% chance of getting to Wembley, as I think there is only a fully committed Saints or Leeds team that could provide a serious threat to halting their progress to the final.

It certainly plays a part as we have to plan for 3 very tough games in 9 days where Wigan effectively only had one tough game in about a month.

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:19 am  

NickyKiss wrote:

My delusions of grandeur are backed up by numerous derby wins on the board, numerous finishes higher in the league then Saints and with a double sitting in the trophy cabinet.

We keep hearing this line trotted out that the ape man just gets us revved up for these derbies yet Saints have the better team on paper. It is absolute tripe!! Desire might nick you the odd game but ultimately class and skill will prevail and it does with Wigan.

The Saints lads you mention there have just been nailed by their opposite number yet again. Roby by McIlorum, Walmsley by Taylor, Makinson by Burgess (first of plenty) and Soliola got ripped a new one by Liam Farrell.

Using this comfort blanket of 'paper rugby' isn't going to get you anywhere at the end of the day. I thought Nathan Brown was very honest in his post match summary of the two teams, certainly more honest then some of the stuff I read on here.

A good post my views exactly. Some at Saints take a bad defeat and can’t admit that their assumptions about both teams could have been wrong. The facts are that both teams are amongst the best in SL, but to which is the best only time and the season as a whole will show. All I would say is that I do think there is more improvement yet in Wigan as there may well be in Saints, but we’ll see!

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:54 am  

Th'ump wrote:

The only two wi*an players that I'd take for our first team would be Green & SOL. You'll obviously disagree because, in our own way, we're both biased. But that is my genuine belief.

The difference today (and in several other clashes between us in recent years) was the level of aggression, intensity & passion displayed by the wi*an players - and the fact that the semi-shaven ape made changes at halftime to improve your tactics, whilst Brown presumably played with his todger.

Some bitterness going on there! If I could pick a combined team I'd go:

1 Bowen
2 Charnley
3 Turner
4 Makinson/Burgess
5 Makinson/Burgess
6 Lomax
7 Walsh
8 Walmsley
9 McIlorum
10 Flower
11 Soliola
12 Farrell
13 O'Loughlin

14 Taylor
15 Roby
16 McCarthy - Scarsbrook
17 Bateman

So about half and half, there are some class players in your squad but they don't play with the same intensity as ours, that will need to change for you to win trophies IMO

Re: Passion : Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:58 am  

Grimmy wrote:

:lol: Some bitterness going on there! If I could pick a combined team I'd go:

1 Bowen
2 Charnley
3 Turner
4 Makinson/Burgess
5 Makinson/Burgess
6 Lomax
7 Walsh
8 Walmsley
9 McIlorum
10 Flower
11 Soliola
12 Farrell
13 O'Loughlin

14 Taylor
15 Roby
16 McCarthy - Scarsbrook
17 Bateman

So about half and half, there are some class players in your squad but they don't play with the same intensity as ours, that will need to change for you to win trophies IMO

You'd have Turner and LMS in ?