Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Fri Jan 03, 2014 5:29 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Injuries happen. Can't blame the club or the big fella for that. How you shape up afterwards is attitude. Fitness is these guys job. Pay me to go to gym everyday. I'll be whatever shape you want.

I believe he put a stone and half on from the end of the season with the panthers until the kiwi game in the World Cup. Apparently he was tipping the scales at 20st!

Just think what 4 month sat on his backside could do! We could have the heaviest super league player if all time!

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:16 am  

St pete wrote:

I believe he put a stone and half on from the end of the season with the panthers until the kiwi game in the World Cup. Apparently he was tipping the scales at 20st!

Just think what 4 month sat on his backside could do! We could have the heaviest super league player if all time!

Calories in; Calories out.

It's an ankle injury. Nothing to stop arm exercises, till he can walk on it. Plenty of arm bicycles at the gym I go to, will work cardio as well.

Plenty of athletic Wheelchair sports men and women.

Nothing against the guy being big, that's why we bought him.

I'm sure as a pro with the Saints conditioning team they will have already done all this. It's about managing yourself to your conditions. I would not expect him to be doing sprints in 4 weeks, but neither would I expect his fitness to be less than what it needs to be. You do what you can to keep in as best condition as you can. If that means eating less and spending longer doing other types of Cardio for the same result then that's what has to be done.

I'm not saying it's easy, but then neither are plenty of peoples jobs and they get paid a lot less doing things a lot nastier.

I'm not assuming anything about the man himself, but there should be no excuses either, we are not talking a completely incapacitating injury. And even then diet can be controlled.

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:51 am  

bewareshadows wrote:

Calories in; Calories out.

It's an ankle injury. Nothing to stop arm exercises, till he can walk on it. Plenty of arm bicycles at the gym I go to, will work cardio as well.

Plenty of athletic Wheelchair sports men and women.

Nothing against the guy being big, that's why we bought him.

I'm sure as a pro with the Saints conditioning team they will have already done all this. It's about managing yourself to your conditions. I would not expect him to be doing sprints in 4 weeks, but neither would I expect his fitness to be less than what it needs to be. You do what you can to keep in as best condition as you can. If that means eating less and spending longer doing other types of Cardio for the same result then that's what has to be done.

I'm not saying it's easy, but then neither are plenty of peoples jobs and they get paid a lot less doing things a lot nastier.

I'm not assuming anything about the man himself, but there should be no excuses either, we are not talking a completely incapacitating injury. And even then diet can be controlled.

My point is, why did he turn up at the World Cup so heavy and out of shape?

Doesn't seem the type to watch what he eats and to train. If he can't keep in shape when he's not injured, I can't see him staying in shape when he can't walk.

I'll know more on his injury later today.

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:03 pm  

St pete wrote:

My point is, why did he turn up at the World Cup so heavy and out of shape?

Doesn't seem the type to watch what he eats and to train. If he can't keep in shape when he's not injured, I can't see him staying in shape when he can't walk.

I'll know more on his injury later today.

Quite possibly his pre-season cycle - he judged being ready for pre season at his new club more important than maintaining peak fitness for the World Cup? Only problem is it backfired and he picked up an injury ...

Not sure you can make judgements about a guy like he doesn't seem to watch what he eats when at best you've just met the guy ... He's a professional, until I hear/ see otherwise, I will assume himself and the conditioning team know what they're doing ...

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:09 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Quite possibly his pre-season cycle - he judged being ready for pre season at his new club more important than maintaining peak fitness for the World Cup? Only problem is it backfired and he picked up an injury ...

Not sure you can make judgements about a guy like he doesn't seem to watch what he eats when at best you've just met the guy ... He's a professional, until I hear/ see otherwise, I will assume himself and the conditioning team know what they're doing ...

I'm just presenting the facts he puts a hell of a lot of weight on during pre-season and when he's out injured. That suggests he's not the greatest pro but I don't care what he does off the field as long as he can perform every week.

I personally think pro players in any sport should maintain weight and keep a relatively high standard of fitness.

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:25 pm  

St pete wrote:

I'm just presenting the facts he puts a hell of a lot of weight on during pre-season and when he's out injured. That suggests he's not the greatest pro but I don't care what he does off the field as long as he can perform every week.

I personally think pro players in any sport should maintain weight and keep a relatively high standard of fitness.

It's impossible to maintain match fitness throughout the offseason, and a lot of players will be more than a few kilos off their playing weight at this moment, your body cycles mean it has to.

I'm not saying that I know he's going for sure it is just the body cycle and he's going to lose it, all we have is his penrith playing weight, and I can only assume he's aiming for that

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 1:26 pm  

Exactly what i was saying about his mentality a couple of months ago, he is a massive gamble. It wasn't till mid season this year that he got him self match fit by his standards for the past 2 seasons. Roosters wasn't happy with his training and mentality towards fitness either was the panthers.

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:53 pm  

It was a clean out op that Mose had and should be back for back end if the month or early feb.

His weight when reported to saints in his first day was 130kg!!! I don't think saints was to happy with that even with the injury taken into account.

So all being well he's not out as long as we first thought.

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sat Jan 04, 2014 11:38 pm  

St pete wrote:

It was a clean out op that Mose had and should be back for back end if the month or early feb.

His weight when reported to saints in his first day was 130kg!!! I don't think saints was to happy with that even with the injury taken into account.

So all being well he's not out as long as we first thought.

thats heavier than Baloo at his biggest!

Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Sun Jan 05, 2014 9:46 am  

Saint Simon wrote:

thats heavier than Baloo at his biggest!

Has the been a heavier player to play super league?