Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:15 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Wilkin isn't good enough. He's a very poor version of Walsh himself, they would have the same attributes. I.e absolutely no running threat and all about kicking and controlling play. What we ideally need is someone like a Leon Pryce, someone who can slice and dice the opposition, who the defensive line fears when they have the ball. All the good sides have this player. Even in SL Warrington have Myler who's a threat, Catalans have Pryce, Leeds have McGuire, Wigan have Green (Really underrated player).

There simply MUST be a player in the academy who can fill that role? Someone with a bit of pace about them?

I'd like to see Swift there personally, I reckon he could do that job.

Didn,t Swift come to the club as a stand off.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Mon Oct 07, 2013 7:21 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

Didn,t Swift come to the club as a stand off.

The club don't intend to use him there and the lad doesn't consider himself as a 6 either.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:57 pm  

Wilkin would be my choice with wheeler contributing too. If wheeler picks up an injury then Charnock should be integrated in. I think if Charnock was going to play a part next season, brown would have used him a little more.

Hohaia should be bottom of the list. I really am struggling to understand what those who have voted for him expect from a #6.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:24 pm  

Albion wrote:

with wheeler contributing

Contributing what? Sick notes?

Does anyone have any stats on the %age of games Wheeler has been fit for since he broke into the first team?

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:36 pm  

Harry Pinner wrote:

Contributing what? Sick notes?

Does anyone have any stats on the %age of games Wheeler has been fit for since he broke into the first team?

He's made 41 appearances plus 11 as sub since he made his debut in 2008.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Tue Oct 08, 2013 12:46 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote: He's made 41 appearances plus 11 as sub since he made his debut in 2008. Jesus. If he'd have stayed fit, he'd have been in the squad every week since the 2011 season So that's 3 seasons of, what, 27 league games + say 6 games in play off and cup rugby = 99 Before that, if you say he'd have feature in an average of 1 in 3 games, then that's another 33 games. So out of 134 games, he's featured in 41, which is 30%. 30% over 6 years (6 years we've been trying to get him fit). Talk about flogging a dead horse. I longed for him to finally break his curse, but I gave up a while ago. Perhaps if we release him he'll get his booty in gear. Some say that he does nothing to help his condition. **EDIT** The Saints Heritage Site Has him at 54 official matches, scoring an impressive 19 tries.

Rogues Gallery wrote: He's made 41 appearances plus 11 as sub since he made his debut in 2008. Jesus. If he'd have stayed fit, he'd have been in the squad every week since the 2011 season So that's 3 seasons of, what, 27 league games + say 6 games in play off and cup rugby = 99 Before that, if you say he'd have feature in an average of 1 in 3 games, then that's another 33 games. So out of 134 games, he's featured in 41, which is 30%. 30% over 6 years (6 years we've been trying to get him fit). Talk about flogging a dead horse. I longed for him to finally break his curse, but I gave up a while ago. Perhaps if we release him he'll get his booty in gear. Some say that he does nothing to help his condition. **EDIT** The Saints Heritage Site Has him at 54 official matches, scoring an impressive 19 tries.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:08 pm  

I think the fact that the votes have sicknote ahead of Lance shows how much quality people see in Lance.

ie very little. I can name 2 games where he has had an input, apart from that he has shuffled the ball and cut out the space for his centres.

I don't buy the he needs a better 7 arguement either, as others have done better with less around them. The only thing I think a better 7 will do, is hide the fact he is not a great 6.

I was going to give the benefit of the doubt after the Hull KR game as hope springs eternal for me, but after literally watching him stop with the ball several times in the Leeds game, it was obvious 6 is beyond him.

He may be a big price tag but for Saints substitute 9 is his primary role for me.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:31 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I think the fact that the votes have sicknote ahead of Lance shows how much quality people see in Lance.

ie very little. I can name 2 games where he has had an input, apart from that he has shuffled the ball and cut out the space for his centres.

I don't buy the he needs a better 7 arguement either, as others have done better with less around them. The only thing I think a better 7 will do, is hide the fact he is not a great 6.

I was going to give the benefit of the doubt after the Hull KR game as hope springs eternal for me, but after literally watching him stop with the ball several times in the Leeds game, it was obvious 6 is beyond him.

He may be a big price tag but for Saints substitute 9 is his primary role for me.

When we go wide, we need to do it well and get the ball to our dangermen (Manu and Lomax) quickly. Lance just slows everything down.

I was never a big, nor fast player, but I could do things right (at my level). Other guys would come and go that should have been better than me, but for their inability to do core functions, such as a simple draw and pass.
not only are hohaia's hand too slow, but he exaggerates this by running sideways, which makes the defence's job even easier. Terrible player.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Tue Oct 08, 2013 10:55 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

When we go wide, we need to do it well and get the ball to our dangermen (Manu and Lomax) quickly. Lance just slows everything down.

I was never a big, nor fast player, but I could do things right (at my level). Other guys would come and go that should have been better than me, but for their inability to do core functions, such as a simple draw and pass.
not only are hohaia's hand too slow, but he exaggerates this by running sideways, which makes the defence's job even easier. Terrible player.

Well said.

I really am struggling to understand how he has picked up 27% of votes so far. It shows the lack of rugby intelligence that some have on here.

Re: Saints stand off next year ? : Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:17 pm  

Albion wrote:

Well said.

I really am struggling to understand how he has picked up 27% of votes so far. It shows the lack of rugby intelligence that some have on here.

Not as bad as Wheeler getting 36%. Just who in the hell voted for him? I wouldn't trust him to pass me the salt.