Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:17 pm  

Noel Cleal wrote:

The more I think about this signing the more I like it. I am not convinced that Amor is the superstar in the making that some people are saying he is but he is a good player that fills a massive hole in our team.

I don't think anyone is saying he's a superstar, but he's as good as the other props on the edges of international honours.

Amor's stats are up there with the likes of Chris Hill - in a far poorer team he averages 112m per game at 7.8m per carry (109m @ 7.2m for Hill) and busts more tackles.

Comparing to Scott Taylor at Wigan, who I think has been excellent this season, his average gain and tackle busts per carry are higher despite carrying the ball far more often and making more tackles in a weaker team.

He's a top, young, go-forward prop and just what Saints needed.

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:38 pm  

Great signing! About time we beat other teams to a good player.

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:45 pm  

Should this squad being assembled for next year boost season ticket sales?

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 12:51 pm  

Rommel wrote:

Should this squad being assembled for next year boost season ticket sales?

Improved squad + cladding should equal bigger crowds if the whingers are true to their word.

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:34 pm  

He will definately fill a gap and although, for me, he isnt the player i would have chosen for Saints from the ones available he looks to be the best. So well done to Saints for addressing this seasons issues.

We will however have an issue next year that NB will need to address. The fact that we now seem to have 2 impact props neither of which on this years form look like starters.
NB will have to be really crafty with his interchanges next year and this may burn through more than he would like.
You cannot have both of these players on the field at the same time (except in exceptional circumstances) so managing their game time will be crucial.
Penrith this year have been using Masoe in a very organised way, he comes on at about 20 - 22 mins and plays the 20 - 18 mins till half time. he then plays the opening 8 - 12 mins of the second half. They then bring him on sometime in the last 12 mins - so he can fill at the most 44 mins at the least 35 mins, but doing this he was running on empty for about 8 of those mins especially at the end of the 1st half in his last game against Manly. Probably because he wasted energy in a fight.
So that would mean Walmsley would need to cover 2 stints each of about 22 mins - this season he doesnt look capable of doing this.
So do you have a second row/loose forward fill in at prop for at least a 10 minute spell as needed and bring in other back row replacements? - seems like an idea for me.
Amour is probably a 50 - 60 min prop and there isnt an obvious opposite to him so prop management will be one of NB's headaches for next year - mind you its a better headache to have than trying to put Perry into a shirt

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:37 pm  

St. Etrigan wrote:

He will definately fill a gap and although, for me, he isnt the player i would have chosen for Saints from the ones available he looks to be the best. So well done to Saints for addressing this seasons issues.

We will however have an issue next year that NB will need to address. The fact that we now seem to have 2 impact props neither of which on this years form look like starters.
NB will have to be really crafty with his interchanges next year and this may burn through more than he would like.
You cannot have both of these players on the field at the same time (except in exceptional circumstances) so managing their game time will be crucial.
Penrith this year have been using Masoe in a very organised way, he comes on at about 20 - 22 mins and plays the 20 - 18 mins till half time. he then plays the opening 8 - 12 mins of the second half. They then bring him on sometime in the last 12 mins - so he can fill at the most 44 mins at the least 35 mins, but doing this he was running on empty for about 8 of those mins especially at the end of the 1st half in his last game against Manly. Probably because he wasted energy in a fight.
So that would mean Walmsley would need to cover 2 stints each of about 22 mins - this season he doesnt look capable of doing this.
So do you have a second row/loose forward fill in at prop for at least a 10 minute spell as needed and bring in other back row replacements? - seems like an idea for me.
Amour is probably a 50 - 60 min prop and there isnt an obvious opposite to him so prop management will be one of NB's headaches for next year - mind you its a better headache to have than trying to put Perry into a shirt

I don't see why Walmsley and Masoe can't be on the field at the same time. They wouldn't be a good starting pair, but bringing them both on after 20-30 mins would be devastating IMO. Laffranchi can spell the steady stuff with Amor.

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:38 pm  

St. Etrigan wrote:

He will definately fill a gap and although, for me, he isnt the player i would have chosen for Saints from the ones available he looks to be the best.

Interesting, who is the player you would have chosen for Saints?

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 2:50 pm  

St. Etrigan wrote:

He will definately fill a gap and although, for me, he isnt the player i would have chosen for Saints from the ones available he looks to be the best. So well done to Saints for addressing this seasons issues.

We will however have an issue next year that NB will need to address. The fact that we now seem to have 2 impact props neither of which on this years form look like starters.
NB will have to be really crafty with his interchanges next year and this may burn through more than he would like.
You cannot have both of these players on the field at the same time (except in exceptional circumstances) so managing their game time will be crucial.
Penrith this year have been using Masoe in a very organised way, he comes on at about 20 - 22 mins and plays the 20 - 18 mins till half time. he then plays the opening 8 - 12 mins of the second half. They then bring him on sometime in the last 12 mins - so he can fill at the most 44 mins at the least 35 mins, but doing this he was running on empty for about 8 of those mins especially at the end of the 1st half in his last game against Manly. Probably because he wasted energy in a fight.
So that would mean Walmsley would need to cover 2 stints each of about 22 mins - this season he doesnt look capable of doing this.
So do you have a second row/loose forward fill in at prop for at least a 10 minute spell as needed and bring in other back row replacements? - seems like an idea for me.
Amour is probably a 50 - 60 min prop and there isnt an obvious opposite to him so prop management will be one of NB's headaches for next year - mind you its a better headache to have than trying to put Perry into a shirt

If you didn't want Walmsley and Masoe on at the same time (although they could really blow a game open on 20 minutes), you could use Amor like Canterbury use Graham - start on the bench, come on at twenty minutes and stay on for the duration.

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 3:42 pm  

I just can't wait to see what Saddened! has to say about this signing and the fact we've paid a fee. He's been so quiet on the subject, where are you?

St. Etrigan wrote:

He will definately fill a gap and although, for me, he isnt the player i would have chosen for Saints from the ones available he looks to be the best.

Out of curiosity who would you have gone for?

St. Etrigan wrote:

We will however have an issue next year that NB will need to address. The fact that we now seem to have 2 impact props neither of which on this years form look like starters.
NB will have to be really crafty with his interchanges next year and this may burn through more than he would like.
You cannot have both of these players on the field at the same time (except in exceptional circumstances) so managing their game time will be crucial.
Penrith this year have been using Masoe in a very organised way, he comes on at about 20 - 22 mins and plays the 20 - 18 mins till half time. he then plays the opening 8 - 12 mins of the second half. They then bring him on sometime in the last 12 mins - so he can fill at the most 44 mins at the least 35 mins, but doing this he was running on empty for about 8 of those mins especially at the end of the 1st half in his last game against Manly. Probably because he wasted energy in a fight.
So that would mean Walmsley would need to cover 2 stints each of about 22 mins - this season he doesnt look capable of doing this.
So do you have a second row/loose forward fill in at prop for at least a 10 minute spell as needed and bring in other back row replacements? - seems like an idea for me.
Amour is probably a 50 - 60 min prop and there isnt an obvious opposite to him so prop management will be one of NB's headaches for next year - mind you its a better headache to have than trying to put Perry into a shirt

I imagine we'll start with Amor (the long minute's prop) and either Laffranchi or LMS, perhaps even both (one at loose) and then Walmsley and Masoe will come off the bench for impact stints.

We also have Beaumont who the coaching staff may be looking at to play a work horse type role within the side and let's not forget the young lads like Richards and Walker are breaking through and will be looking for more game time next season.

Either way, we've got far greater depth and quality in this position than we have this season. Puletua shows glimpses of quality but lots of inconsistency. He also isn't the player he was and Perry has offered nothing. We've signed 3 players to replace those 2, so unless they all spectacularly fail we're in a stronger position.

Add in Walsh and I think we look much stronger next season as an overall squad. The only loss so far of the outgoings is Meli who will we will miss in the Centre position.

Re: Kyle Amour signs for Saints : Tue Sep 10, 2013 4:00 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I don't think anyone is saying he's a superstar, but he's as good as the other props on the edges of international honours.

Amor's stats are up there with the likes of Chris Hill - in a far poorer team he averages 112m per game at 7.8m per carry (109m @ 7.2m for Hill) and busts more tackles.

Comparing to Scott Taylor at Wigan, who I think has been excellent this season, his average gain and tackle busts per carry are higher despite carrying the ball far more often and making more tackles in a weaker team.

He's a top, young, go-forward prop and just what Saints needed.

As I said good signing, I don't understand a lot of the hype around Hill, think he is solid and has had an unspectacular second season. Taylor has not justified the money Wigan have splashed out on him, they have spent a lot on his potential. Only time will tell. I think Amor is better than both of them at present but all are nowhere near the class of a Graham/Morley/Peacock/Burgess standard player but that is nothing to be ashamed of.

There is a big difference between performing at a mid table club and a team that should be playing in the big games. It will be interesting to see how well he handles the big playoff and cup games.

The real bonus is that we have got a high quality prop without using an overseas quota spot.