Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:04 pm  

St. Etrigan wrote:

Tell me if I am misinterpreting what you have said

Ref can allow an advantage but if that advantage leads to a try then he can take no action against the offender except put it on report.

So if that is correct then the only 2 options the ref would have had when seeing that challenge.

Blow up immediately and the fact Saints went on to score meant the try would have been chalked off as play cannot continue after an infringement.
Let advantage happen, as we score a try in that advantage period, the only option he then has is to put the challenge on report, he cannot red card or yellow card the player or even give a penalty for it.

Now what would have suited Saints best is anyone's guess.
If the player had been sent off - Saints could live with that and lose the try
If the player was put on report and we just got a penalty - we would have thought we were hard done by.
Either way we lose our halfback and goal kicker

If all of the above is correct it makes it a bit open season for players to take out halfbacks and take their chance at the disciplinary.

You can give a card for foul play in the build up to a try, after the try has been scored.

Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:07 pm  

BackrowSaint wrote:

You can give a card for foul play in the build up to a try, after the try has been scored.

If that's the case then nothing more to discuss - I cant ever remember seeing this happen though.

Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:15 pm  

St pete wrote:

I think the big problem for refs is its tough to see at the speed they see and they have to make a call there and then. Most of these "late shoulder charges" are after the ball has gone. I think the RFL hasn't done the refs any favours with the shoulder charge rule and its hard for them to call.

The walker tackle against Wigan is a good example. Five of us watched it back at my house the following day. Three didnt think the was contact to the head and two thought the was. That was with about 10 replays plus the sky replays. The ref is expected to make that call there and then!

Agreed with that, it isn't easy for the ref, to remove a lot of the doubt make a late shoulder charge a sin bin offence minimum and an referral to the board to see if a furhter ban should be handed out if there is doubt about head contact.

The disciplinary board isn't consistent enough with their bans. One week a player is banned for something and then the next a player has nothing to answer and that's a real problem and why coaches, players and fans get so irate with them.

Another example of not being consistent on the field. Yesterday Lms threw a cracking right hand and landed flush on the frogs nose. It wasn't self defence or protecting himself, he threw the first punch and ended up in the bin (correct IMO). Few weeks back, Wardle from hudds did exactly the same thing and got sent off. Danny maguire threw a punch and didnt get put in the bin.

Three players have threw the first punch. Wardle was sent off, Lms went in the bin and Danny maguire had a warning off the ref!

The RFL need to sort this out and fast!

That's an age old issue.

Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 12:50 pm  

For me it was a yellow for being late. You could tell from the refs Mic he was asking the touchjudge if it was head or shoulder and neither knew. On report and yellow for me.

I think on report is more an indication to fans and players that the ref is questioning it. If there was only citing. Then fans may think the ref has blatantly ignored it. On report shows he's not sure.

Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:20 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

For me it was a yellow for being late. You could tell from the refs Mic he was asking the touchjudge if it was head or shoulder and neither knew.

So why didn't he go to the video ref? All the games at Perpignan are televised.

Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:24 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

So why didn't he go to the video ref? All the games at Perpignan are televised.

I thought that when watching it.

Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 2:53 pm  

go back 12 months to puletuas sending off same referee listening to advice from the video referee. Did he forget he was on tv

Re: Nathan Brown on 'that' tackle. : Sun Aug 04, 2013 3:37 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Agreed with that, it isn't easy for the ref, to remove a lot of the doubt make a late shoulder charge a sin bin offence minimum and an referral to the board to see if a further ban should be handed out if there is doubt about head contact.

Yep, that's something I suggested after last weeks incident.