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Re: Josh Perry : Wed May 22, 2013 8:51 am  
St. Rughead wrote:
I'd be happy to not see him in a Saints shirt again, waste of salary cap space and is doing Greenwood out of game time.


Greenwood is a second row by trade
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Re: Josh Perry : Wed May 22, 2013 10:54 am  
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Greenwood is a second row by trade


I'd still prefer Clough to Perry and Clough is only average, but at least he tries.
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Re: Josh Perry : Wed May 22, 2013 11:17 am  
saint at wire wrote:
I'd still prefer Clough to Perry and Clough is only average, but at least he tries.


I like Clough - he offers a work rate few others do, regularly makes meters and makes few errors
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Re: Josh Perry : Wed May 22, 2013 12:23 pm  
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Something to bare in mind in defence of Perry.

Perry played over 200 games in the NRL in a 10 year career encompassing state of origin and Australian caps into the bargain. A forward who was lazy would have been easily found out, and so would not have had such an excellent career.

This makes me think that his current lack of fitness/form is down to injury. It wouldnt surprise me if he is putting his hand up to play and getting needled up pre match, just so he can get on the park and help out his team mates. Knowing however that his body cant handle more than 20 minutes.

The question then is whether this is the right thing for the player and coaching staff to do. I dont think it would be, but perhaps they see even a small contribution as helping the cause.


the difference is that he was working in the NRL, he is just on holiday here. His top level career was over when he left Manly, he has just been topping up his pension fund for the minimum amount of effort for Saints.
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Re: Josh Perry : Wed May 22, 2013 1:29 pm  
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Greenwood is a second row by trade

True, but we'd still have Walmsley, Puletua, LMS and Laffranchi/Thompson to cover at prop.
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Re: Josh Perry : Wed May 22, 2013 3:57 pm  
Josh Perry's best years where over in Australia that is quite clear. When we signed him I was impressed we recruited a player of his quality from the NRL. Its fair to say with injuries and complete lack of form that Perry has to go down as one of the worst overseas players we have ever signed. He is now only playing 10 minutes a game and that is just not good enough. Clough should replace him for the rest of the season and realise Perry at the end of 2013.
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Re: Josh Perry : Thu May 23, 2013 11:33 am  
St. Rughead wrote:
True, but we'd still have Walmsley, Puletua, LMS and Laffranchi/Thompson to cover at prop.


I'd imagine now wilkin is a half and Flanagan is injured one of the big lads will always be used as a loose forward and I think it unfair to load more games than required onto Thompson
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Re: Josh Perry : Thu May 23, 2013 11:45 am  
southernsaint7 wrote:
I'd imagine now wilkin is a half and Flanagan is injured one of the big lads will always be used as a loose forward and I think it unfair to load more games than required onto Thompson



He could be spelled with Greenwood, when needed. Also Clough was missed off that list of props. Also Walker.

Walmsley and TP are our most effective props going forwards. I would keep LMS to Loose Forward, it seemed to stop him messing about in the tackle. Don't know why that would have an effect, either that or someone has had a word in his ear about the penalty rate.

But I digress.

With Laffranchi, Manu, Sia at 2nd row
TP, Walmsley, Clough and one of Walker, Thompson or Greenwood.
LMS playing at loose.

Then there is certainly enough in numbers to keep us going both with a starting pack and on the bench.

I would not be so quick as to retire Perry though, he could well still be injured. Lets not forget he had an injury that could have ended him, playing wise. But I do agree, if he can only do 10 mins, that's not enough. He needs to be able to do at least 40 mins and be effective in those minutes to warrant a place in the side.

When you look at the pack for next year, it's still a strong pack but obviously with TP, Perry gone then we need 2 more props to keep or increase our pack strength.
If Laffranchi stays it should be 2nd row only, if he goes then I would argue we don't need another 2nd rower. With Manu, Sia, Wilkin and Flanagan + the likes of greenwood et al to play backrow.
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Re: Josh Perry : Thu May 23, 2013 12:26 pm  
bewareshadows wrote:
When you look at the pack for next year, it's still a strong pack but obviously with TP, Perry gone then we need 2 more props to keep or increase our pack strength.
If Laffranchi stays it should be 2nd row only, if he goes then I would argue we don't need another 2nd rower. With Manu, Sia, Wilkin and Flanagan + the likes of greenwood et al to play backrow.

We don'tneed Boof next year,not as a prop or a back row. We need two big solid STARTING props.
Assuming TP, JP and Boof all go we'll hopefully have the following

Two new starting props
LMS and Walmsley off the bench. Certainly this seems to suit LMS a lot better. Walmsley is generally awesone, but you do get the impression he'll be beast used against tiring defences.

Second rows will be Sia, Manu and Flash

Walker and Thompson are somewhere in between (I'd argue that against Leeds it was Thompson that played 13 and LMS was propping as usual). Walkers impressive tackle rate means he'll always be a reliable choice at 13.

Back up from Clough (proven as solid),Greenwood (looked ok so far), Jones (proven as useful), Savelio (reported great potential), Hand (seems to be going well at Whitehaven) and Wilkin.
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Re: Josh Perry : Thu May 23, 2013 1:05 pm  
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2k44u.html

We are linked with Mose Masoe,he is a big Samoan prop.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/leag ... 2k44u.html

We are linked with Mose Masoe,he is a big Samoan prop.
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