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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 7:59 pm  
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Endurance is built up over time. There is no other way. What Walmsley is lacking is endurance fitness, not fitness per se.

If you're wanting to run a marathon when all you've run is a 10k you would need at least six months to build up the endurance needed in order for you to complete the marathon without making yourself very ill. So it is with Walmsley and bridging the gap between part-timer and fulltimer.


I know what your saying but why is it so bad ?

I don't think I've seen a young lad so unfit.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:14 pm  
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Endurance is built up over time. There is no other way. What Walmsley is lacking is endurance fitness, not fitness per se.

If you're wanting to run a marathon when all you've run is a 10k you would need at least six months to build up the endurance needed in order for you to complete the marathon without making yourself very ill. So it is with Walmsley and bridging the gap between part-timer and fulltimer.


There are two types of fitness, aerobic and anaerobic. Aerobic is used in long slow workouts whilst anaerobic is used in short sharp workouts such as sprinting or power lifting.

The endurance you allude to when it comes to marathon running isn't usually a fitness worry, it's due to muscle fatigue. If someone is a decent 10k runner, they will have ran longer distances before and could probably have a fair crack at a marathon if muscle fatigue wasn't an issue. They'll have a good level of aerobic fitness already and probably would be able to finish a marathon, again if muscle fatigue wasn't an issue.

In terms of the fitness levels to play a game of rugby league, particularly as a prop you cross between both aerobic and anaerobic. Defensive shuttles, making a tackle and having a drive up are all using the anaerobic side of fitness whilst the general game play, tracking the ball is aerobic.

Walmsley seems to struggle with recovery from anaerobic exercise, by which I mean after he has done some intensive exercise he is blowing and takes a while to get his breath back. A good way of improving this is to get plenty of high intensity interval training into his regime and work on doing some hill sprints to increase his anaerobic threshold. This can produce fairly rapid improvements in a relatively short period of time - 2 months or so is a long time to make gains initially. Walmsley has been with the club quite a while now including pre-season so I would have hoped for his fitness levels to be slightly higher.

However, I'm sure the conditioners as Saints have spotted this already and are in the process of improving it.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:23 pm  
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There are two types of fitness, aerobic and anaerobic. Aerobic is used in long slow workouts whilst anaerobic is used in short sharp workouts such as sprinting or power lifting.

The endurance you allude to when it comes to marathon running isn't usually a fitness worry, it's due to muscle fatigue. If someone is a decent 10k runner, they will have ran longer distances before and could probably have a fair crack at a marathon if muscle fatigue wasn't an issue. They'll have a good level of aerobic fitness already and probably would be able to finish a marathon, again if muscle fatigue wasn't an issue.

In terms of the fitness levels to play a game of rugby league, particularly as a prop you cross between both aerobic and anaerobic. Defensive shuttles, making a tackle and having a drive up are all using the anaerobic side of fitness whilst the general game play, tracking the ball is aerobic.

Walmsley seems to struggle with recovery from anaerobic exercise, by which I mean after he has done some intensive exercise he is blowing and takes a while to get his breath back. A good way of improving this is to get plenty of high intensity interval training into his regime and work on doing some hill sprints to increase his anaerobic threshold. This can produce fairly rapid improvements in a relatively short period of time - 2 months or so is a long time to make gains initially. Walmsley has been with the club quite a while now including pre-season so I would have hoped for his fitness levels to be slightly higher.

However, I'm sure the conditioners as Saints have spotted this already and are in the process of improving it.


I like Walmsley and think he's been really good I the short spells he plays. He gets the crowd excited when he comes on and gives the place a much needed lift but IMO his fitness is shocking!

IMO he should be up to speed now with his fitness. He's had a full pre season, half a season playing and training fulltime.

Its been playing on my mind for weeks and wasnt going to post but IMO its unfair to criticise Perry for only playing 20 odd mins after coming back from what was thought to be a very serious Injury. Its obvious Brown is edging him back in to gain fitness without picking up one of his little niggles.

I can just imagine the moaning on here if Brown played him in two 30 min spells and he pulled a hamstring.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:25 pm  
Maybe the impact role is what he's best used to? Fa'asavalu never played long minutes for us either.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:26 pm  
I'm not surprised at all Perry only played 20 minutes. It would have been stupid to play him for any longer in his first game back after coming so close to getting a career ending injury.

If he's still only playing 20 minutes in 3 weeks time then there will be cause for concern.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:28 pm  
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I'm not surprised at all Perry only played 20 minutes. It would have been stupid to play him for any longer in his first game back after coming so close to getting a career ending injury.

If he's still only playing 20 minutes in 3 weeks time then there will be cause for concern.


Manu didnt do long mins either. He's another being brought back from injury.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:29 pm  
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Maybe the impact role is what he's best used to? Fa'asavalu never played long minutes for us either.


Walmsley is without a doubt an impact player, but he definitely needs to work on his fitness. However, he does a lot of hard work off the ball which generally goes unnoticed. A lot of other players don't put the effort in that he does to close down the ball carrier or make sure he gets across to cover somebody else's collision.

It could be a combination of his fitness not being tip top just yet and the fact he does a lot of hard work off the ball that is making him blow so early but I'm sure it will improve in time.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:30 pm  
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Manu didnt do long mins either. He's another being brought back from injury.


Exactly, you can't just bring a player back into playing a full role at SL after having 6 weeks out due to injury. It just isn't feasible.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:30 pm  
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Maybe the impact role is what he's best used to? Fa'asavalu never played long minutes for us either.



Maurie was fit tho, he could do the long mins if needed. Even Paul Anderson at 33 was in better condition. I'm just amazed nobody else has brought this up but certain people bring up Perry not being fit when he's even out weeks.
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Re: Match Stats - Widnes (03/04/2013) : Fri May 10, 2013 8:32 pm  
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Maurie was fit tho, he could do the long mins if needed. Even Paul Anderson at 33 was in better condition. I'm just amazed nobody else has brought this up but certain people bring up Perry not being fit when he's even out weeks.


I don't think anyone would disagree with your assessment but as I said Perry is a big earner at this club and you expect your big earners to consistently deliver.
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