FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

   WWW.RLFANS.COM • View topic - We need some halfbacks!
::[url=//saints.org.uk](Website)[/url]
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Club Coach16170No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jul 22 200816 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
27th Feb 16 22:3515th Oct 15 20:27LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Somewhere other than here
Signature
Success is not final; failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. (Winston Churchill)

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:07 am  
No1 Saint wrote:
I cant believe Brown cant see what the rest of us can . It's bl00dy obvious to anyone with eyes who knows anything about Rugby that Wello is just terrible at 6

Even I can see it . :D
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member11377
JoinedServiceReputation
Sep 26 200222 years183rd
OnlineLast PostLast Page
7th Oct 24 17:5130th Aug 24 09:23LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Much too far South

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 8:25 am  
I'm pretty sure we won't see Wellens at 6 next week.

If we do, you'd have to start to question Brown.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach2616No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 09 200618 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
5th Jun 15 14:567th May 15 06:02LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
28000 LYrs from the centre of the Galaxy

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 9:32 am  
have you not tried Turner at 6. Pretty sure he was a 6 originally and when he stood in for us at Hull he always did a solid job. I thought with a run of games he could of developed into a really good 6 but he was shuffled around due to injuries before settling in at centre.
Albion 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Star2681No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 27 201114 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Jul 17 10:1225th Jul 17 09:24LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:21 am  
major black wrote:
have you not tried Turner at 6. Pretty sure he was a 6 originally and when he stood in for us at Hull he always did a solid job. I thought with a run of games he could of developed into a really good 6 but he was shuffled around due to injuries before settling in at centre.


At various points in a few games he seems to have had a go there.

But then that leaves a gap at centre. Jones seems to be preferred in the back-row.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Board Member17417No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Aug 08 200222 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th May 15 15:1430th Mar 15 20:21LINK
Milestone Posts
15000
20000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Better living through chemistry.
Signature
Tweet from @martinoffiah 23/08/2011: 'Must admit i did love watching Saints- Cunningham Joynt Longy Tommy then Leon, last classic RL team ever'. Even the dark side can't help but love the rebellion.

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:26 am  
Maybe Brown does realise that Wellens and Wilkin won't win us pots, but maybe he also realises that Charnock and Yates aren't ready yet, therefore his hands are tied.
If, now HiHo is fit, he still persists with Wello at 6, then yes, you would be right to question him. McManus needs to take a hold of this recruitment situation and try to rectify it or he will be watching an average team playing in an empty stadium in a season or two.
jaybs 
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman4958No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Apr 03 200223 years237th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
9th Jun 22 08:1325th May 22 09:36LINK
Milestone Posts
2500
5000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
North West

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 10:54 am  
Carlos Alberto wrote:
McManus needs to take a hold of this recruitment situation and try to rectify it or he will be watching an average team playing in an empty stadium in a season or two.


Thought it was McManus who controlled the recruitment players and coaches?
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach10399No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Jun 29 200519 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
25th Jul 16 12:3925th Jul 16 12:13LINK
Milestone Posts
10000
15000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Awaiting a ban.
Signature
[url=www.cater-bake.co.uk]Cater-Bake UK - Pizza and Bakery Equipment Specialists[/url]

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 11:17 am  
Carlos Alberto wrote:
Maybe Brown does realise that Wellens and Wilkin won't win us pots, but maybe he also realises that Charnock and Yates aren't ready yet, therefore his hands are tied.
If, now HiHo is fit, he still persists with Wello at 6, then yes, you would be right to question him. McManus needs to take a hold of this recruitment situation and try to rectify it or he will be watching an average team playing in an empty stadium in a season or two.

There have been items of recruitment that have been very good. We forget that, though, as unfortunately the most important ones have all gone tits up.
Picking up the likes of Puletua, Soliola and now Manu have all been handy bits of business. Walmsley looks like a great find and Turner's been good for us. However, when its really counted, we've always ended up scratching our heads.

Letting Smith go when we hadn't secured Eastmond - Poor planning. Even if we'd have held onto Kyle, Smith could have slipped into the role Scott moore had to rotate at hooker and cover the halves. Then we were desperate for a 7 - we would have been a lot better off, both as a team and finacially, to find a half of modest ability but a proper skill set, then to splash out on a full back and jam him in. Around the same time Crusaders went bump and both Hanbury and Sammutt were available (quota free).

Front row signings. After Perry's less than convincing first season, the propsect of losing Jammer was a grim one. We chose Anthony Laffranchi, a former aussie test player (so presumebly not cheap) who had playerd 95% of his games in the back row. Whilst he's honest enough, he's not of the standard to be starting at prop for a team with title ambitions. So we've now got Perry, whom we can't get on the field and only performs 1 game in 3 that he does play and Boof, who's basically an expensive, less effective Paul Clough. Andy Lynch went to Hull, he'd have been a great signing and probably wouldn't have cost much more than we're paying Laffranchi.

We've got telent coming through, we've got some great players, but we've only got 75% of a team and the 25% that we are missing includes some to the most influential roles in our team -ie organising half and pack leader.

We were all hopeful that brown could turn us back into genuine contenders, but I'm afraid without the above, all he can do is polish up this turd as best he can. We'll probably sneak into 4th or 5th anyways, but without some genuinely superhuman performances in the playoffs or some fantastic improvement by Wilkin (credit to him for doing his best at 7), then we'll not need to be stocking up on silver polish.
RankPostsTeam
International Star513
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 05 201014 years306th
OnlineLast PostLast Page
10th Oct 24 09:5517th Apr 24 10:13LINK
Milestone Posts
500
1000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:01 pm  
Offside Monkey wrote:
There have been items of recruitment that have been very good. We forget that, though, as unfortunately the most important ones have all gone tits up.
Picking up the likes of Puletua, Soliola and now Manu have all been handy bits of business. Walmsley looks like a great find and Turner's been good for us. However, when its really counted, we've always ended up scratching our heads.

Letting Smith go when we hadn't secured Eastmond - Poor planning. Even if we'd have held onto Kyle, Smith could have slipped into the role Scott moore had to rotate at hooker and cover the halves. Then we were desperate for a 7 - we would have been a lot better off, both as a team and finacially, to find a half of modest ability but a proper skill set, then to splash out on a full back and jam him in. Around the same time Crusaders went bump and both Hanbury and Sammutt were available (quota free).

Front row signings. After Perry's less than convincing first season, the propsect of losing Jammer was a grim one. We chose Anthony Laffranchi, a former aussie test player (so presumebly not cheap) who had playerd 95% of his games in the back row. Whilst he's honest enough, he's not of the standard to be starting at prop for a team with title ambitions. So we've now got Perry, whom we can't get on the field and only performs 1 game in 3 that he does play and Boof, who's basically an expensive, less effective Paul Clough. Andy Lynch went to Hull, he'd have been a great signing and probably wouldn't have cost much more than we're paying Laffranchi.

We've got telent coming through, we've got some great players, but we've only got 75% of a team and the 25% that we are missing includes some to the most influential roles in our team -ie organising half and pack leader.

We were all hopeful that brown could turn us back into genuine contenders, but I'm afraid without the above, all he can do is polish up this turd as best he can. We'll probably sneak into 4th or 5th anyways, but without some genuinely superhuman performances in the playoffs or some fantastic improvement by Wilkin (credit to him for doing his best at 7), then we'll not need to be stocking up on silver polish.


Wage wise they might not be different but Hull spent a lot of money to buy him ( around £250000 wasn't it ? ) given that fee we would never of been in the hunt to sign him.
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7498
JoinedServiceReputation
May 11 200519 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Nov 23 22:068th Feb 18 21:50LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Back in the badlands of the metropolitan borough of Wigoon

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:07 pm  
SaintsFan wrote:
Even I can see it . :D


:lol: :lol:
User avatar
RankPostsTeam
Player Coach7498
JoinedServiceReputation
May 11 200519 yearsN/A
OnlineLast PostLast Page
16th Nov 23 22:068th Feb 18 21:50LINK
Milestone Posts
5000
10000
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Back in the badlands of the metropolitan borough of Wigoon

Re: We need some halfbacks! : Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:15 pm  
Offside Monkey wrote:
There have been items of recruitment that have been very good. We forget that, though, as unfortunately the most important ones have all gone tits up.
Picking up the likes of Puletua, Soliola and now Manu have all been handy bits of business. Walmsley looks like a great find and Turner's been good for us. However, when its really counted, we've always ended up scratching our heads.

Letting Smith go when we hadn't secured Eastmond - Poor planning. Even if we'd have held onto Kyle, Smith could have slipped into the role Scott moore had to rotate at hooker and cover the halves. Then we were desperate for a 7 - we would have been a lot better off, both as a team and finacially, to find a half of modest ability but a proper skill set, then to splash out on a full back and jam him in. Around the same time Crusaders went bump and both Hanbury and Sammutt were available (quota free).

Front row signings. After Perry's less than convincing first season, the propsect of losing Jammer was a grim one. We chose Anthony Laffranchi, a former aussie test player (so presumebly not cheap) who had playerd 95% of his games in the back row. Whilst he's honest enough, he's not of the standard to be starting at prop for a team with title ambitions. So we've now got Perry, whom we can't get on the field and only performs 1 game in 3 that he does play and Boof, who's basically an expensive, less effective Paul Clough. Andy Lynch went to Hull, he'd have been a great signing and probably wouldn't have cost much more than we're paying Laffranchi.

We've got telent coming through, we've got some great players, but we've only got 75% of a team and the 25% that we are missing includes some to the most influential roles in our team -ie organising half and pack leader.

We were all hopeful that brown could turn us back into genuine contenders, but I'm afraid without the above, all he can do is polish up this turd as best he can. We'll probably sneak into 4th or 5th anyways, but without some genuinely superhuman performances in the playoffs or some fantastic improvement by Wilkin (credit to him for doing his best at 7), then we'll not need to be stocking up on silver polish.



Good post that sums things up pretty well. We've made some real howlers in recent times but it's not unfixable. I will say though that I think the Soliola situation has proved a little fortunate as we did sign him as a centre not a back row and for me he doesnt have the mobility required to make it as a top centre
PreviousNext

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 249 guests

REPLY

Subject: 
Message:
   
Please note using apple style emoji's can result in posting failures.
Use the FULL EDITOR to better format content or upload images, be notified of replies etc...

Return to St. Helens


RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62651
13m
Grand final Tickets
JIMMY MAGNET
80
15m
Play-off semi-final
Dr Dreadnoug
49
24m
Grand Final Squad
NSW
11
33m
OUT 2025 Leon Ruan - Released
Emagdnim13
14
Recent
Terrace wear
retrosports
1
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40217
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2437
Recent
Film game
Boss Hog
4226
Recent
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Oxford Exile
55
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
50s
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
51s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2437
55s
Grand Final Squad
NSW
11
1m
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
Smiffy27
16
1m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
3
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Gaz3376
3309
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62651
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Offy86
3328
1m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Oxford Exile
55
2m
Sam Burgess
karetaker
25
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Terrace wear
retrosports
1
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
Trebor1
3
TODAY
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
Smiffy27
16
TODAY
Brian Lockwood RIP
Spookisback
5
TODAY
Grand Final Squad
NSW
11
TODAY
Kit for Saturday
Pie Eyed
8
TODAY
George Hirst
Wigg'n
21
TODAY
Player of the Season 2024
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Released Players List
Jemmo
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
TODAY
Has anyone got any idea what is going on
Halfdan of t
22
TODAY
Awards
The Avenger
11
TODAY
dan russell confirmed 2 year contract
Wires71
13
TODAY
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
VanGinger
18
TODAY
2025 Catalans Dragons Kit
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Oli Leyland confirmed 2 year deal
ninearches
17
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Grand Final
Douglas Blac
12
TODAY
Transfer Talk V5
Sir Gregory
78
TODAY
OUT 2025 Leon Ruan - Released
Emagdnim13
14
TODAY
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
ArthurClues
32
TODAY
Search Sexy Girls from your city for night - Authentic Damse
excruciating
2
TODAY
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
BigRoy
13
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
3
TODAY
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back Grand Finals
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
NRL
Deadcowboys1
4
TODAY
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth Consecutive Title
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
568
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
675
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
503
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
632
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
645
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1038
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1113
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1484
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1632
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1417
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1787
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1609
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1736
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
2086
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2622
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Sat 12th Oct
SL
18:00
Hull KR-Wigan
Sun 13th Oct
CH
15:00
Swinton-Hunslet
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sun 6th Oct
L1 26 Keighley6-20Hunslet
CH 29 Bradford25-12Featherstone
WSL2024 16 York V18-8St.HelensW
NRL 31 Melbourne6-14Penrith
Sat 5th Oct
CH 29 York27-10Widnes
SL 29 Wigan38-0Leigh
Fri 4th Oct
SL 29 Hull KR10-8Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 28 759 336 423 46
Hull KR 28 729 335 394 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 26 1010 262 748 50
Bradford 27 703 399 304 36
Toulouse 25 744 368 376 35
York 28 682 479 203 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Swinton 27 474 670 -196 18
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 0 0 0 0 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
5m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62651
13m
Grand final Tickets
JIMMY MAGNET
80
15m
Play-off semi-final
Dr Dreadnoug
49
24m
Grand Final Squad
NSW
11
33m
OUT 2025 Leon Ruan - Released
Emagdnim13
14
Recent
Terrace wear
retrosports
1
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40217
Recent
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2437
Recent
Film game
Boss Hog
4226
Recent
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Oxford Exile
55
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
50s
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
51s
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
Trebor1
2437
55s
Grand Final Squad
NSW
11
1m
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
Smiffy27
16
1m
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
3
1m
Recruitment rumours and links
Gaz3376
3309
1m
BORED The Band Name Game
Boss Hog
62651
1m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Offy86
3328
1m
Who do you want to win the Grand Final
Oxford Exile
55
2m
Sam Burgess
karetaker
25
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Terrace wear
retrosports
1
TODAY
OT Rohan Smith -
Trebor1
3
TODAY
Alfie johnson CONFIRMED 2 year deal
Smiffy27
16
TODAY
Brian Lockwood RIP
Spookisback
5
TODAY
Grand Final Squad
NSW
11
TODAY
Kit for Saturday
Pie Eyed
8
TODAY
George Hirst
Wigg'n
21
TODAY
Player of the Season 2024
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Released Players List
Jemmo
4
TODAY
IN 2025 Jake Connor - Expires 2026
FlyingScotty
20
TODAY
Has anyone got any idea what is going on
Halfdan of t
22
TODAY
Awards
The Avenger
11
TODAY
dan russell confirmed 2 year contract
Wires71
13
TODAY
Play-off Semi Final Toulouse A
VanGinger
18
TODAY
2025 Catalans Dragons Kit
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Oli Leyland confirmed 2 year deal
ninearches
17
TODAY
WIRE YED Prediction Competition Grand Final
Douglas Blac
12
TODAY
Transfer Talk V5
Sir Gregory
78
TODAY
OUT 2025 Leon Ruan - Released
Emagdnim13
14
TODAY
IN 2025 Cooper Jenkins - Expires 2026
ArthurClues
32
TODAY
Search Sexy Girls from your city for night - Authentic Damse
excruciating
2
TODAY
IN 2025 Keenan Palasia - Expires 2026
BigRoy
13
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Grand Final
FoxyRhino
3
TODAY
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back Grand Finals
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
NRL
Deadcowboys1
4
TODAY
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth Consecutive Title
RLFANS News
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
568
Hunslet Book Relegation Play O..
675
Penrith Panthers Secure Fourth..
503
Wigan Humiliate Leigh For Gran..
632
Hull KR Survive Warrington Fig..
645
Warrington Wolves Break Saints..
1038
Leigh Leopards Make Play Off P..
1113
Catalans Dragons Finish Sevent..
1484
Hull KR Secure Second With Vic..
1632
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
1417
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
1787
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
1609
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
1736
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
2086
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
2622


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!