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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 12:33 pm  
Lomax had another excellent all round performance at fullback. Playing him there provides space for our three quarters to exploit.

Percival showed speed in attack but also the ability to defend effectively. Something very rare in an 18 year old.
It was noticeable that the Leeds backs who are the fastest 3 quarter line in the league could not catch him.

Meli still can finish, but boy has he slowed down now. Look back a few years and there are trys of Meli going 80 yards against Leeds and other sides. Saints blew a number of trys on the left flank because Meli could not keep pace with Percival.

The players look lacking in energy. Every match i have seen this season we have looked deflated.
This is particularly visible in the second half, especially in the last 20 minutes when teams have gotten on top of us.

Hull , Leeds, and Bradford all dominated the second half against Saints. I've not included Huddersfield, as they completely dominated both halves.

This tends to point to a lack of depth in the pack and or lack of fitness as we drop off considerably once rotations start to kick in. This is a big concern, because when Saints were a top side, it was usually in the last 20 mins that Saints would get on top of the opposition in a close game. This leads to the conclusion from evidence so far, that Saints are now one of the weaker sides in the competition.

Jon Wilkin possesses a good kicking game, but he is not a halfback. His passing is slow and inaccurate, and he lacks the guile to be anything other than a make weight in that position. We need to try other people there.

I would be tempted to try Hohoia and Gaskell in the halves, with Lomax at fullback.

What then of Wellens. I would play him as a traditional loose forward. This has the disadvantage of weakening the packs initial go forward, but should give us more width, creativity and experience in a creative position. Not to mention an excellent support runner midfield.
It would also allow the bench to be strengthened, because one of our back rowers such as Manu or Soliola could come off the bench for impact.
The bench in particular is an area that we really lack impact at present and as stipulated above is one of the reasons why we are falling away in games.

This would produce a side something like the following.

Lomax
Gardner
Turner
Percival
Makinson
Hohoia
Gaskell
Perry
Roby
Lafranchi
Wilkin
Soliola
Wellens

Bench. Puletua, Clough, Manu, Jones

As you can see the above bench is quite formidable. With size, mobility and also flexibility.

When injuries hit we just swap in the likes of Greenwood, Walmsley, Wheeler, Meli etc.
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 1:58 pm  
From last night and what I've seen so far this season:
1. We need a halfback(s)
2. Manu has been shocking in the 4 out of 5 games I've been to this season
3. Kicking game was better, at least we found the ground a fair few times, but like Jon Wells said, kicking on the 3rd and 4th is just throwing tackles away
4. Turner can't defend
5. Percival and Meli offer a million times more in attack than Gardner/Makinson and Turner
6. We haven't got enough size in our pack. We rely on Sia and Puletua far too much

Also, what did people think of Jones at second row?
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:08 pm  
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5. Percival and Meli offer a million times more in attack than Gardner/Makinson and Turner

But Percival and Makinson would be terrific to see in full flight.
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:10 pm  
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But Percival and Makinson would be terrific to see in full flight.

That'd give us some pace down that side. Give Meli some credit though, he can finish and did well last night.
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:13 pm  
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But Percival and Makinson would be terrific to see in full flight.


If only we had the players to put them into space!

All this bagging of turner is laughable. He's not had a good pass all year. Centres need good ball and we don't gone them any.

Same with Manu, he's a devastating runner if he gets the ball in good postions as we've seen for past 5 years in super league. Manu ain't become a bad player over night.

This all stems from the halfback problem.
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:18 pm  
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If only we had the players to put them into space!

All this bagging of turner is laughable. He's not had a good pass all year. Centres need good ball and we don't gone them any.

Same with Manu, he's a devastating runner if he gets the ball in good postions as we've seen for past 5 years in super league. Manu ain't become a bad player over night.

This all stems from the halfback problem.

Turner hasn't had a chance in attack. The only one I recall was when he scored against Hull. His defence has been poor though without a doubt.
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:20 pm  
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Turner hasn't had a chance in attack. The only one I recall was when he scored against Hull. His defence has been poor though without a doubt.



What's his defensive stats ?
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:25 pm  
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What's his defensive stats ?

Before last night, wasn't overly bad, but last night's stuck in my mind :lol:
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:30 pm  
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That'd give us some pace down that side. Give Meli some credit though, he can finish and did well last night.

I give credit to Meli for the second try he scored and that's all I give him credit for. Makinson could have scored both the tries Meli scored AND done it with pace and more finesse (in the case of the first try, when Meli over-ran his centre and almost dropped the ball).
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Re: Saints v Leeds - Verdict : Sat Mar 02, 2013 2:33 pm  
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I give credit to Meli for the second try he scored and that's all I give him credit for. Makinson could have scored both the tries Meli scored AND done it with pace and more finesse (in the case of the first try, when Meli over-ran his centre and almost dropped the ball).


I don't think the is much in it between Meli and makinson. Makinson is better in defence and Meli better in attack.
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