Re: Rochdale Hornets : Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:24 am  

Offside Monkey wrote:

I guess if they don't make that cut, then yes, they will be surplus to Saints. They'll have to find themselves a new club, I suppose. That's no big loss to Saints, but its not great for RL as a whole.
Its may help bring on these slow bloomers better by forcing them towards looking for first team action for lower league clubs in a sink or swim situation, but I can't help thinking that most will go back to their amature local clubs and playing for fun.

So when wheeler isn't injured, where will he be playing?

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Fri Oct 12, 2012 11:52 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

So when wheeler isn't injured, where will he be playing?

Rochdale, i think?

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:12 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Rochdale, i think?

Hope their hospitals have been warned, they'll nee to put a bed aside each weekend.

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Fri Oct 12, 2012 6:49 pm  

It seems that Mike Rush won't be involved in coaching perhaps.
In the statement on the club's website they describe Rushy as "Saints General Manager Mike Rush".
That's a move which is hardly unexpected.

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:51 am  

SaintsFan wrote: Exactly. Arrogance. Mike Rush's coaching was pretty turd but would we like it if Rochdale Hornets sidelined him and appointed their own coach over our players? No. We wouldn't. (Well, actually, I wouldn't care a damn but I'd hate the principle of the thing) It was perfectly possible for Rochdale to have Matt Calland as their head coach and for Talbot to be the youth coach, which is precisely what he is. Why would Saints want a drugs cheat coaching their young players. I doubt Castleford and their drinking culture did anything for Scott Moore. http://www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -13206756/ Ensuring that our juniors get coached properly is not arrogant it is professional. Rochdale will get a lot out of the partnership. Good coaching, better training facilities and some extra fans. I will definitely make my way down to Spotland next year.

SaintsFan wrote: Exactly. Arrogance. Mike Rush's coaching was pretty turd but would we like it if Rochdale Hornets sidelined him and appointed their own coach over our players? No. We wouldn't. (Well, actually, I wouldn't care a damn but I'd hate the principle of the thing) It was perfectly possible for Rochdale to have Matt Calland as their head coach and for Talbot to be the youth coach, which is precisely what he is. Why would Saints want a drugs cheat coaching their young players. I doubt Castleford and their drinking culture did anything for Scott Moore. http://www.examiner.co.uk/huddersfield- ... -13206756/ Ensuring that our juniors get coached properly is not arrogant it is professional. Rochdale will get a lot out of the partnership. Good coaching, better training facilities and some extra fans. I will definitely make my way down to Spotland next year.

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Sat Oct 13, 2012 11:59 am  

Noel Cleal wrote:

Why would Saints want a drugs cheat coaching their young players.

Saints were quite happy standing by another kind of cheat when it suited them. Longy served a lengthy ban if memory serves.

Ensuring that our juniors get coached properly is not arrogant it is professional. .

And you know that Matt Calland, with assistance from Saints, wouldn't have coached them properly how exactly?

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:17 pm  

1984saints wrote:

Do we think Rochdale fans are going to play 15 quid to watch a team with five saints lads in this could be different lads every week and they will be coach by a saints coach I can't see them getting many fans thro the gate

I know. How violated must the Preston North End fans have felt when Manchester United gave them David Beckham for a few games.

I suspect that the same players will turn out for the same clubs. With the better players honeymooning in the lakes (poor bar stewards). Ashe, Forster, Greenwood and Maggenis, assuming he is still at the club, would be good candidate.

As for Gary Wheeler I am sure he will be at Saints full time, probably at right centre.

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:32 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Saints were quite happy standing by another kind of cheat when it suited them. Longy served a lengthy ban if memory serves.

And Gleeson got shipped off. While Long is the only one of the big three not to have a job at the club (currently). Other players like Moore and Bannister have been released for doing less than Calland.

SaintsFan wrote:

And you know that Matt Calland, with assistance from Saints, wouldn't have coached them properly how exactly?

I don't know if he would or would not do a good job and more importantly neither do Saints. But Saint do know Talbot will do a good job. A good professional that I have had the pleasure of watching a number of times. He has also never been banned for drugs or betting against his own team, which is a plus. Calland has a role at Rochdale so Saints can see how he does in that role. If he plays his cards right it could be a great move for him.

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:36 pm  

If Ian Talbot does well at Rochdale coaching the team there, then it also opens up a career pathway for him to bigger and better things.

Same goes for other young coaches.

At present its basically SL or bust for wannabee top line coaches. The likes of Shaun Wane have gone from being under 20 coaches to being in charge of some of SL's best players. That represents a massive step up, and im sure Wigan would have preferred Wane to have made an interim move to coaching say Leigh (while still employed by Wigan) so that he could find his feet there, before being thrown head first into SL.

This is how the aussies work with their system. They also use SL as a final finishing school.

Re: Rochdale Hornets : Sat Oct 13, 2012 1:35 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

This is how the aussies work with their system.

That doesn't make it better.

Once we start to think for ourselves again, like grown ups should do, we will start making progress IMO. At present though there is this ridiculous notion that just because it happens in Australia it is the best and we should follow without question.