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Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:48 pm  
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Saints are still hanging on there as the greatest team in the super league era, its just that we have won a fat zero in the last 5 seasons. We are pretty close to having won twice as many trophies as Leeds. Think we have about 18 trophies in our super league history where Leeds I'm not sure but I think they have just hit double figures.


I think we have 12 now if we include the LLS and WCC
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Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 7:54 pm  
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I think we have 12 now if we include the LLS and WCC


Just checked on Rugby League Project website yes you are on 12 trophy's in total.

Some more interesting Stats Leeds are close on Wigan for super league match wins. Saints 351 wins from 493, Wigan 331 wins from 493, Leeds 325 wins from 493. (Warrington not worth considering at the moment 233 wins from 468)
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Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:10 pm  
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Some more interesting Stats Leeds are close on Wigan for super league match wins. Saints 351 wins from 493, Wigan 331 wins from 493, Leeds 325 wins from 493.

So we've even got the most wins as well eh?

We're definitely still the best team in the Superleague era! :wink:
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Re: The Greatest : Sun Oct 07, 2012 8:26 pm  
What about the "salary capped era".
Which teams come out on top then?
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Re: The Greatest : Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:54 am  
Probably us as well I imagine given that we're the only team to have finished in the top four every year since its introduction.
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Re: The Greatest : Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:05 pm  
I was speaking in terms of a 'team' as a group of players. If we are talking as a club then Saints are still in there in the trophy running.

When you talk about a great team you tend to look at a generation of players, a cohort. The greatest cohort would be Wigan, when you look at how many trophies they pulled in with that generation of players. Of course there is turn over and from year to year some players drop in and out. But the main players tend to stay the same.

If you lined up the team of say Long, Scully et al, you would not include trophies won under previous players like prescott and Goulding. There is some cross over of course, but I think Saints because of their consistency have this cross over more than most. But I would not include the whole of our SL wins as a measure of a certain team (group of players).

For example the bulls had some great teams, as did widnes, but when you are looking at the greatest of all time you would not include times when those players were not playing. So the Bulls team up to 2005 would be in the running for the greats. Just because a different team and set of players have not carried on that mantle I don't think it reflects on the previous cohort of players.

So sorry for not being more narrow in my initial definition, but I was looking at the team as a cohort, not as a club. So for example in a school you will have a cohort of pupils. That cohort maybe the best in the schools history and give it results that top the tables. But it does not mean the school will have the best history of all schools.

So I did mean this Leeds cohort, not the club as a whole over the full 17years of SL.
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Re: The Greatest : Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:06 pm  
In fact I have just looked back to my OP, and I did state at the time that I was talking about a squad of players, not the club itself.

It was others who started talking about club records.
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Re: The Greatest : Mon Oct 08, 2012 2:15 pm  
Damn fine team Leeds. However there's two major trophy's on offer every year. One of which Leeds haven't won since 1999. And some want to call them the greatest! :roll:
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Re: The Greatest : Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:21 pm  
It's a forum. So it's open for debate. I did not say the greatest. Just possibly the greatest team in the SL era.
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Re: The Greatest : Mon Oct 08, 2012 5:31 pm  
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In fact I have just looked back to my OP, and I did state at the time that I was talking about a squad of players, not the club itself.

It was others who started talking about club records.


On that basis, as the quality of superleague players has detoriated I think we will be looking at Bradford or St Helens between 2000 to 2006.
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