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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:50 pm  
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Started by Rogues? :lol:


There is some truth in it. He is keen to come back to the U.K. after being sacked by the Roosters. He was in line to go back to the Bulls before they decided to give the job to Cummings. You never know Bradfords loss could be your gain.
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:50 pm  
I dont think halves is that big a problem. I think its selecting the right player in the right position
For example Wheeler and Gaskell are both naturally gifted half backs, but Saints have insisted on playing Hohoia and Lomax in the halves when arguably both would be better utilised as fullbacks. (obviously not both at the same time)

Wello has been a revelation this year, but we need to be looking to move Lomax into that position or possibly Swift.

Hohoia would for me be a utility bench player.

Pack is fine, it is big tough and mobile. Next year should be even better with Manu causing havoc out wide

Threequarters. Meli has been our best back and Makinson is looking like developing into a solid pro. Gardner was strong before his injury, but you have to ask if its getting to the stage were both Meli and Gardner need putting out to pasture to let the young guns get their chance. Foster certainly needs bringing back from the wilderness as he is a points machine who showed at Hull that he is no flash in the pan.
Im hopeful Jordan Turner will add some pace and power into the centres next year. Alongside a further year of development for Josh Jones.

The main thing though is getting a top class coach to mold what is a group of very talented players into a trophy winning team. Brown for me is capable of that, however i am sceptical he will ever coach a St.Helens team due to his talents being in great demand down under.

What we also have to do is look at the opposition and what the next couple of years look like yielding for them.

Wigan look like a rapidly fading force. Players are leaving on mass, to be replaced by journeymen pros. For me this year was their last great chance to get some decent silver before spending a few years trying to rebuild. Like Saints have the junior talent to remain a top 5 team though.

Wire will be up there for a year or two until their pensioners all start to retire, then they could hit the buffers bigtime. Simon Moran will then need to start splashing the cash, something they are well capable of doing however.

Leeds. Still a big game team, and the nucleus of the side Sinfield, Burrows & Mcguire still have a few years left in them. Will always challenge as they are the only real genuine contender from Yorkshire, so know that if they are short in a position they just have to pick off talent from any of their weak west Yorkshire rivals.

Hull looking to make a push next season with some big signings. Suffer though from being in Hull, which makes recruitment harder due to the isolated nature of their city.

The rest are easy beats.
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 8:52 pm  
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Hohaia had a desperately poor start to the season. But, as I suspected, he has steadily improved since the mid-point as he has grown accustomed to his team-mates.

However, my biggest criticism of Hohaia still stands - his support play is terrible. A guy with his footspeed should be on the shoulder of every ball-handling forward. Playing him at fullback would undoubtedly mean we start every set five or more yards further up the pitch. But he would pose nothing like the threat Wellens does in support.

A bad move.


He's not got a rugby brain and speed of thought to play in the halves. IMO he's the best fullback at the club.
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:01 pm  
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A scrum half.
A leader.
Pace.
Skill.




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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:04 pm  
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I dont think halves is that big a problem. I think its selecting the right player in the right position
For example Wheeler and Gaskell are both naturally gifted half backs, but Saints have insisted on playing Hohoia and Lomax in the halves when arguably both would be better utilised as fullbacks. (obviously not both at the same time)


Selecting the right stand-off is a problem because we are inundated with them. But we have no obvious scrum half. I mean, sure, Lomax can wear the shirt, put the ball in the scrum and collect it at first receiver. But tactically and in terms of leadership he is very much lacking. I don't blame the kid. He's just being asked to assume a role his skills aren't suited to.

Wello has been a revelation this year, but we need to be looking to move Lomax into that position or possibly Swift.


I like the idea of Swift. But he's still yet to prove himself and at least 18 months from being physically ready.

Pack is fine, it is big tough and mobile. Next year should be even better with Manu causing havoc out wide


I agree. Just hope Manu can stay fit at his age.

Threequarters. Meli has been our best back and Makinson is looking like developing into a solid pro. Gardner was strong before his injury, but you have to ask if its getting to the stage were both Meli and Gardner need putting out to pasture to let the young guns get their chance. Foster certainly needs bringing back from the wilderness as he is a points machine who showed at Hull that he is no flash in the pan.


Foster has been very shabbily treated. Makinson needs to flesh out.

I also think Wilkin needs to bulk up significantly. He's far too light for the game today.
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:20 pm  
I think Swift is a long way off as he is splitting his time between Saints and working for an aviation company as an apprentice.
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:27 pm  
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I think Swift is a long way off as he is splitting his time between Saints and working for an aviation company as an apprentice.

and he'll stay along way off if we dont play him
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:35 pm  
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It's been said a million times but I will say it again, we are in dire need of a halfback or maybe two halfbacks!

We had fieid postion and pressure on Warrington in the first half and should have punished them but we are not skillful or creative enough.


say no more - Wheeler and Gaskell
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:40 pm  
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Wire will be up there for a year or two until their pensioners all start to retire, then they could hit the buffers bigtime. Simon Moran will then need to start splashing the cash, something they are well capable of doing however.


That would be the wire team whose youngsters have won the Valvoline Grand Final today?
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Re: What we are lacking ... : Sat Sep 29, 2012 10:58 pm  
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That would be the wire team whose youngsters have won the Valvoline Grand Final today?


One swallow does not a summer make.

How are the other wire junior sides doing?
Its not good enough to have one good season. Wakefield had that the other year when they won the comp, but it didnt translate into a team of superstar juniors coming through

You need to continuously develop youngsters year after year to a high standard. Something Saints and Wigan have been doing for a long time.

By doing this you may start to see decent quality youngsters come through from within the club.
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