Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:11 pm  

Saddened- we all know that it's all bollox. Will be such a cracker tomorrow. I have to say as well
that I was willing Leeds to win tonight as we all hate Wigan.
It's like paper, stone and scissors with Wire, Saints and Wigan.
We normally beat Wigan, Wigan (apart from the recent playoff) normally beat
you in (roughly the last 2 years), and you normally beat us. Aside from the Leeds factor, the theory
seems to work.

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:12 pm  

rafsanjhani wrote:

frackin hell youve taken MAGNANIMOUS to another level roll over like a submissive bitch why dont you?This is the greatest time to support your team when your backs agaisnt the wall, nobody gives you a cat in hells chance,c'mon ffs lifes not always about the most beautiful side winn9ing at a canter, its about putting together a scratch side and doing what Leeds have done on more than one of their grand final winning years. Holy shmoly Dont see Leeds fans wanting them lose.I imagine youd be almost disconsulate if we actually won the bloody final because you couldnt say "told ya so" you sour bugger comes to somethin when a wires fan tells you to get behind the team he wants to see beaten.get a grip

Don't get me wrong - I'm not like Saddened who I reckon would be upset if all his cherished beliefs were brought down by a Saints win at O/T next week. I'd dearly, dearly love to win the next 2 games and be proved spectacularly wrong - the problem is that I am just so rarely am however. I see little chance of us pulling 2 backs-to-the-wall against-the-odds wins out of the bag in successive weeks against superior opposition that's all, and I'm firmly of the opinion that another (likely) defeat at O/T will do nothing but jeopardise our chances of silverware next season. As a Saints fan the best possible thing that could happen for us is to win at O/T next week and dispose of the monkey at long last. The second best thing that could happen is to lose tomorrow, draw a line under the 5 in-a-row and start again with a fresh new winning mindset under a fresh new coach next season. I just think there's genuinely little chance of the first happening unless a bomb lands on Leeds' training ground next week that's all, and maximising our chances for next season is my priority instead. To do that we need a loss tomorrow.

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:16 pm  

rafsanjhani wrote:

You and NS are so damm hard on your own team cut some frackin slack your lost in over scrupulosity.If you dont like em dont watch em simple

Hang on a minute - read any of my posts and you'll struggle to find anyone on this board who expresses remotely as much faith in our players, board and future on a consistent basis as I do - don't tar me with the Saddened brush I'm just being realistic as to our chances over the next 2 games and what would be best for us going into next season, that's all.

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:32 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Hang on a minute - read any of my posts and you'll struggle to find anyone on this board who expresses remotely as much faith in our players, board and future on a consistent basis as I do - don't tar me with the Saddened brush I'm just being realistic as to our chances over the next 2 games and what would be best for us going into next season, that's all.

Well ok i am a pragmatist but i am responding to what i am reading not prior posts,but honestly i dont believe if you take the overall resluts over the season we are were we are on merit and thats good enough(not the best saints team by a long shot) ,but you gotta take whats in front of you.Im not happy about Brown certainly not happy about the debacle thats gone on this year behind the scenes.BUT like i said to Saddened its commendable (3 months ago) i had Saints well out of this play off by now.Go back to the warrington game at HJ and consider how many Saints fans realistic views were about our chances ,what happened? we routed them.So im not ready to throw in the towel yet

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:32 pm  

No disrespect at all to you Northants Saint, but In my humble opinion, you and the Saints fans have been
blessed over many years by watching some of the greatest players and a team which has has hit the rl
heights, only matched by that Wigan side in the eighties. Any present Saints team, unless they sign Lyon
and the rest of the superstars back then, will never be the same again. Even as a Wire fan, I have
to say that your team in the first half of this century was unbelievable- with Cunningham, Pryce,
Long, Joint, Graham, Farsavaloo, and many others was incredible. Times are changing, but
Saints will always be up there. They still are now. They're a club which every side in sl aspires
to, including wire, and I think I understand your concerns about the side, but, get behind them-
there still class with all those quality forwards and quality backs if you give them chance.

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:34 pm  

(it's taken 15 minutes for me to write the above so apologies if i''m behind with posts)

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:44 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

No disrespect at all to you Northants Saint, but In my humble opinion, you and the Saints fans have been
blessed over many years by watching some of the greatest players and a team which has has hit the rl
heights, only matched by that Wigan side in the eighties. Any present Saints team, unless they sign Lyon
and the rest of the superstars back then, will never be the same again. Even as a Wire fan, I have
to say that your team in the first half of this century was unbelievable- with Cunningham, Pryce,
Long, Joint, Graham, Farsavaloo, and many others was incredible. Times are changing, but
Saints will always be up there. They still are now. They're a club which every side in sl aspires
to, including wire, and I think I understand your concerns about the side, but, get behind them-
there still class with all those quality forwards and quality backs if you give them chance.

Again - read any of posts to see what I think about any of these issues, namely:

1. We're a decent coach, a half and maybe another prop away from having a squad capable of cleaning up next season.
2. Even without them Saints will still be there or thereabouts in the trophy shakeups and will finish top 4 again easy.
3. In comparative terms the current Saints squad is pretty much as good as it was in '96, '00 or '06 given how much the standard of the rest of the league has declined.

There's no general doom and gloom from me and I'm mega excited for our chances in the new season and just want this tedious awful season with our current tedious awful team to be behind us.

And the British game will never again see the likes of a team like any of those Saints sides or the great '80s/'90s Wigan sides as the players that made up those sides just aren't available to SL teams any more.

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:48 pm  

Gazwire wrote:

(it's taken 15 minutes for me to write the above so apologies if i''m behind with posts)

This is a common theme in humans too much of a good thing and it becomes mundane,Your right Saints were awesome we never trully savoured and appreciated what we were experiencing at the time and got complacent,expecting wins all the time etc.I cant believe the attitude of some saints fans they are hypercritical ,ffs we are 80 minutes from our 6th meeting with Leeds at OT lower teams would be exhultant just to be were we finished this year .Its anti climax syndrome,the higher the expectation the lower the degree of acceptance of failure.

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:04 am  

As a Rhinos fan i would love to face you in the G/F again.

Tonight, beating the arrogant flag waving pies was enough for me this year.

Hope we win next week, but if we dont would be happy for saints to win (which would be well deserved) - also James Roby for MOS is well overdue.

Re: Leeds v Wigan : Sat Sep 29, 2012 12:21 am  

I should have included the great Widnes side as well during the late 80s and the Bradford side as well (turn of
this century) and the present Leeds side (alongside Saints and Wigan, as already mentioned). I really hope
Wire can do it this year. Just so that we can say we've done it.