Re: Meli moments ... : Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:25 pm  

Ooh - some replies from SaintsFan that I can't see thankfully. Let me guess at their contents: "Makinson is perfect and wonderful and is the deserved MoM every game. Meli is the evil spawn of Satan and is the cause of every defeat we ever suffer and utterly useless in every way. Overseas internationals are all abominations against God and Saints would have more success playing random kids or amateurs from Blackbrook and Thatto Heath who would at least show some pride in the shirt instead. etc. etc."

Am I warm?

Re: Meli moments ... : Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:26 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

You've taken my post totally the wrong way, I'll leave it there, I'm not going to be one of your many enemies on here.

Enemies? I don't have any enemies on here.

If I've taken your post the wrong way then you could explain it to me in a different way and maybe I will understand better the point you were trying to make. All I can see is a somewhat unfair criticism of a young player who was outstanding tonight.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:27 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Am I warm?

No. You're immature.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:30 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Enemies? I don't have any enemies on here.

If I've taken your post the wrong way then you could explain it to me in a different way and maybe I will understand better the point you were trying to make. All I can see is a somewhat unfair criticism of a young player who was outstanding tonight.

I don't want to get involved with you but if you read my posts then you'll see that I've said I like and rate makinson and I'm not calling him.

Thats me done on this subject with you.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:32 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

I don't want to get involved with you but if you read my posts then you'll see that I've said I like and rate makinson and I'm not calling him.

Then why criticise him for his kick returns? They are such a tiny aspect of the game. They are so unimportant within a match. So long as he gains some yards, surely that is all that matters? And he does that. He was quite effective in doing that tonight, for instance.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:40 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Then why criticise him for his kick returns? They are such a tiny aspect of the game. They are so unimportant within a match. So long as he gains some yards, surely that is all that matters? And he does that. He was quite effective in doing that tonight, for instance.

Kick returns are not important and only a small part of a wingers game?

Are you having a laugh? Kick returns are vital as they put teams on the front foot giving the team momentum.

If your kick returns are poor, it makes clearing your line so much harder and IS massive part of a wingers game.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:53 pm  

Ninja saint wrote:

Kick returns are not important and only a small part of a wingers game?

Are you having a laugh? Kick returns are vital as they put teams on the front foot giving the team momentum.

If your kick returns are poor, it makes clearing your line so much harder and IS massive part of a wingers game.

I don't see the kick returns of wingers as vital. They help, obviously. Every metre made helps. But as our results testify, they aren't vital (given that neither Meli nor Makinson is strong on kick returns). To me it is the job of the forwards to put the team on the front foot and not the wingers.

But we'll agree to differ on that one.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:14 am  

Ninja saint wrote:

Kick returns are not important and only a small part of a wingers game?

Are you having a laugh? Kick returns are vital as they put teams on the front foot giving the team momentum.

If your kick returns are poor, it makes clearing your line so much harder and IS massive part of a wingers game.

Kick returns are maybe 50% of a modern winger's game, most definitely so if you're playing in a tight game against tough opposition, and a massive, massive part of a fullback's game too. It is laughable to even attempt to dismiss their importance to a winger's effectiveness. Makinson will never make a top #1, #2 or #5 until he learns to add this vital facet of the game to his arsenal.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:14 am  

I wondered WTF he was doing when he feined to throw the ball to the 20m line when it hadn't gone dead, but tbh I think that was actually a good bit of play to try and throw doubt into the Wire defenders minds and have them stop the split second he needed to make it out the in-goal.

He's always good for a try or two from mistakes though.

Re: Meli moments ... : Sun Sep 16, 2012 5:07 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

I don't see the kick returns of wingers as vital. They help, obviously. Every metre made helps. But as our results testify, they aren't vital (given that neither Meli nor Makinson is strong on kick returns). To me it is the job of the forwards to put the team on the front foot and not the wingers.

But we'll agree to differ on that one.

What is your problem with Meli? That he drops a few balls? He is big, powerful, has a bit of pace and within 10 meters of the line is one of the best finishers in the game.