Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:05 pm  

I would imagine if Saints have anything about them they would NOT have included and early release for an NRL club. If they have then it's a bit naive.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:08 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I would imagine if Saints have anything about them they would NOT have included and early release for an NRL club. If they have then it's a bit naive.

No, I bet they wouldn't have done. But if Brown says 'I want to accept this job, let me leave' it puts the club in an impossible position. You can't keep someone under those circumstances, you are left trying to extract some compo out of the NRL club.

Hopefully he's now given up on getting another NRL job and can settle quickly.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:18 pm  

Harry Pinner wrote:

Did Eamon tell you this himself?

Or did you make it up?

It's an assumption based on a belief of Nathan Brown not being the best coach available.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:22 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I would imagine if Saints have anything about them they would NOT have included and early release for an NRL club. If they have then it's a bit naive.

I would have thought it was a key determinant for both parties, perhaps tied in with no release at the end of the first year of his contract. There's no way Brown (who has been umming and ahhhing about going back since he got here) that Brown would turn down a good NRL job. He must have taken this job to show that he can take a club to silverware because that's what he's missing off his CV.

It also serves us to have him able to take up a NRL job after a couple of years if we feel that we want KC to take over earlier which I'm pretty sure is the plan once Brown has left.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:11 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

It seems I'm the only person who has commented on his lack of commitment to Huddersfield over the years. If you do a google search on Nathan Brown Giants, it is filled with articles about his departure from Huddersfield. From the end of 2009 there is a constant stream of them, most of which it seems he started with comments about a desire to return home. It mentions one year he was asked to return home by his Daughter, another he blamed it on his family being unsettled. Then it changed to him wanting an NRL coaching position. During his three years at the Giants, it seems there has never been a period when he has fully committed to them.

This could be a possible explanation for why their form can be so inconsistent, it must cause a lot of disruption when you don't know if the coach is staying or not. It makes contract decisions and recruitment hard to plan for and we all know the feeling of being in a state of limbo that a departing coach brings.

I really hope he hasn't accepted this job as a fallback because there are currently no NRL job offers on the table for him. It would be very disappointing to be in this situation again in 12 months because he's done a runner back to the NRL.

I posted on the thread that he was linked with us that McManus needs to make sure he's here for the length of his contract and no get out clause for NRL teams.

We can certainly do without "will he, won't he" every year like he's has at hudds.

I'm made up with the appointment. He's a very good young coach. He's a straight talker, tough and demands performances from his players and tells it how it is.

I hope he knows that he's stuck with this current squad as I doubt very much we wil be bringing anybody in next year.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:37 pm  

He has done a great job at giants and was an inspired appointment. We thank him for his efforts and the memories and enjoyment he gave us. ( favourite moment was him encouraging/shouting on Leroy at Warrington as he sprinted down sideline 2 years ago)

The unsettling mid season turmoil is now with saints and I will be at the bookies betting he is back in nrl well before his saints contracts ends - and possibly even before it begins tbh. He wants an nrl job - and he deserves one - and you cannot criticise someone for being ambitious. Like us , you will be a stepping stone. Please accept that graciously

I wish Nathan all the best - and i will always be a fan of his for the memories he gave us.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 5:58 pm  

Run leroy , run ! wrote:

He has done a great job at giants and was an inspired appointment. We thank him for his efforts and the memories and enjoyment he gave us. ( favourite moment was him encouraging/shouting on Leroy at Warrington as he sprinted down sideline 2 years ago)

The unsettling mid season turmoil is now with saints and I will be at the bookies betting he is back in nrl well before his saints contracts ends - and possibly even before it begins tbh. He wants an nrl job - and he deserves one - and you cannot criticise someone for being ambitious. Like us , you will be a stepping stone. Please accept that graciously

I wish Nathan all the best - and i will always be a fan of his for the memories he gave us.

Could saints offer him the profile to attract a move to the NRL?

I said few weeks back, that's my only concern.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:09 pm  

St pete wrote:

I hope he knows that he's stuck with this current squad as I doubt very much we wil be bringing anybody in next year.

Course we will. Players always leave unexpectedly. McManus will know he can't sell season tickets with no signatures, we'll sign someone, even if it means players leaving.

Soliola, Wellens, Meli, Flannery and Clough are off contract. If the club can't get over it's sentimental attachment to Wello, he'll be taking a significant pay cut. Flannery is leaving and I'd expect Meli to as well. I'd expect Clough to get a new deal, provided he's happy with a squad player deal, because that's all he is. Sia is one we all hope stays, but there are obviously issues there.

Given we're not spending the full cap this season (We can't be as we put bids in for players and haven't done anything since) I'd say we'll have cap room for at least a couple of players to come in and there are no young players knocking on the door at the moment, like there were in the previous couple of seasons.

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:23 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

Course we will. Players always leave unexpectedly. McManus will know he can't sell season tickets with no signatures, we'll sign someone, even if it means players leaving.

Soliola, Wellens, Meli, Flannery and Clough are off contract. If the club can't get over it's sentimental attachment to Wello, he'll be taking a significant pay cut. Flannery is leaving and I'd expect Meli to as well. I'd expect Clough to get a new deal, provided he's happy with a squad player deal, because that's all he is. Sia is one we all hope stays, but there are obviously issues there.

Given we're not spending the full cap this season (We can't be as we put bids in for players and haven't done anything since) I'd say we'll have cap room for at least a couple of players to come in and there are no young players knocking on the door at the moment, like there were in the previous couple of seasons.

I expect sia to stay but honestly don't see how we can replace flannery and Meli as we've no qouta spots free, no quality English players available and certainly won't pay for anyone.

How and who could we possibly sign?

Re: Brown officially named : Tue Apr 03, 2012 6:48 pm  

St pete wrote:

I expect sia to stay but honestly don't see how we can replace flannery and Meli as we've no qouta spots free, no quality English players available and certainly won't pay for anyone.

How and who could we possibly sign?

There might be about 30 players becoming available in Yorkshire by mid-April

There are plenty of players about:

Stefan Marsh
Mike McIllorum
Chris Tuson
Sean O'Loughlin
Mike Cooper
Gareth O'Brien
Rhys Williams
Will Sharp
Jordan Turner
Paul Johnson
Oliver Elima
Bryn Hargreaves
Tom Burgess
Danny Addy
Jason Crookes
Paddy Flynn
Joe Arundel
Josh Griffin
Jacob Emmitt
Richie Mathers
Craig Hall
Matty Smith

All off contract or free to move. Plenty there to have a chomp at, even if it's just for squad depth.

The likes of Marsh, Cooper, Sharp, Turner, Johnson, Emmitt, Burgess, Flynn, Griffin would all be decent young signings.