Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:23 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Rubbish. It wasn't two/three years ago when Wilkin almost single-handedly guided Saints to victory in the Challenge Cup at Leeds playing at stand-off. There were NO PROBLEMS with his leadership then.

Ancient Chinese proverb:

One game in ten years does not a leader make.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:26 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

He was also superb last season when asked by Royce to cover at stand off when we had no halves left at all.

Jon Wilkin is a natural talker. He loves sharing his opinions. He knows the game inside out and has a rugby brain. He's been at Saints almost as long as Wello. Therefore, he is the natural candidate to offer guidance to our inexperienced halfbacks but he has thus far declined to do it. Without Roby on the field as well we spent the last 2.5 games with nobody giving direction and Royce lost his job as a result.

Because Wilkin is a senior player with skill, knowledge, experience and longevity at the club it is absolutely right that people have higher expectations of him than of our less experienced or newer players. He has failed to take on his responsibilities for the sake of the team IMO.

He was very good last year and IMO was best backrow in super league.

I've just never rated him to be honest, he always does his tacking which I can't knock him for but he's to slow for a stand off and not big enough to play backrow.

I dont think he's rubbish but IMO he's massively overated and is living off the back of a good season in 2006 and a game at Leeds which was a one off.

To say he's a leader is laughable.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 8:56 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

I find this a strange criticism, given he probably offers himself more than any other player in the squad, whilst running himself into the ground in defence.

Think I must watch a different player to some on here at times.

Did you watch him against Hull? He was shocking; I was right near him where he was at one stage in the second half when we were supposed to be attacking the Hull line and he was just stood around refusing to join the line. I thought he must be injured or something but he just looked confused and disinterested.
If I didn't know better it looked like fear.

I wouldn't hang him for 1 bad match but he hasn't been great this season (he's not alone there) and I know he can do better which is just annoying as I'm sure he would like to do better.
Perhaps new coaching.......?.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:26 pm  

saint at wire wrote:

I wouldn't hang him for 1 bad match but he hasn't been great this season (he's not alone there) and I know he can do better which is just annoying as I'm sure he would like to do better.
Perhaps new coaching.......?.

Nothing wrong with the coaching. Remember, he was outstanding last year. Same coach as the one we had against Hull.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:22 am  

Maybe Wilkin has shown leadership qualities in spades by choosing not to put himself in the way of Simmons' gameplan? A sort of 'work to rule' to show the gameplan is flawed, in the hope that Simmons changed it/got dumped? If the senior players had lost confidence in Simmons, why would you expect them to try to bale him out?

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:49 am  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Ancient Chinese proverb:

One game in ten years does not a leader make.

I'd prefer that to the current, tbh.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Fri Mar 23, 2012 7:50 am  

BrisbaneRhino wrote:

Maybe Wilkin has shown leadership qualities in spades by choosing not to put himself in the way of Simmons' gameplan? A sort of 'work to rule' to show the gameplan is flawed, in the hope that Simmons changed it/got dumped? If the senior players had lost confidence in Simmons, why would you expect them to try to bale him out?

Hmmm .... winning pay?

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:13 am  

Wilkin is pretty terrible all he cares about is media i used to think he was half decent till 3 years ago now all he cares about is how he comes across

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:55 am  

king warrior wrote:

Wilkin is pretty terrible all he cares about is media i used to think he was half decent till 3 years ago now all he cares about is how he comes across

I'd hate to see your opinion on Harrison Hansen and Sean O'Loughlin then. Terrible Jon Wilkin beats them both hands down this season at Metres made, Carries, Tackles, Tackle busts, Offloads, Clean breaks, Marker tackles, penalty rate.....you know, all the things you'd want from a back rower.

Re: Where are Jon Wilkin's priorities? : Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:57 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Nothing wrong with the coaching.

Sorry, what is Royce doing this Sunday? I can't quite remember.