Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:24 pm  

St pete wrote:

People are still under the impression that Meli and flannery are on quota and when they leave we will have two spots but they don't count.

I know some are confused, but others who are not confused, are hoping Lance or Perry et al will do a runner, or are concerned that Sia took a hell uva beating and that may have dimmed his view of the town.

Personally I see it as the back wash of a busy day. Bit like when there were changes in previous regimes and Meniga was always coming back.

Ps Pete on a previous thread you asked which coach was last sacked for on field performances. I thought Big sean had 1 year left to go on his contract, before hanley. Before him was it not Murphy???

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:28 pm  

Fair enough it was just a 'pre season' game, but he didn't cause young Hardaker or Watkins much trouble in the WCC. I think the expectations of what he can do now would be far more than what he can deliver. He would still be one of the best centre's in the league but he wouldn't turn around the club like some seem to think imo.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:40 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

I know some are confused, but others who are not confused, are hoping Lance or Perry et al will do a runner, or are concerned that Sia took a hell uva beating and that may have dimmed his view of the town.

Personally I see it as the back wash of a busy day. Bit like when there were changes in previous regimes and Meniga was always coming back.

Ps Pete on a previous thread you asked which coach was last sacked for on field performances. I thought Big sean had 1 year left to go on his contract, before hanley. Before him was it not Murphy???

I think saints just didn't offer McRae a new deal.

Still think it was Eric Hughes.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:42 pm  

Sibbs Rhinos wrote:

Fair enough it was just a 'pre season' game, but he didn't cause young Hardaker or Watkins much trouble in the WCC. I think the expectations of what he can do now would be far more than what he can deliver. He would still be one of the best centre's in the league but he wouldn't turn around the club like some seem to think imo.

Depends what you think he will bring. For me it will be as a half guiding the team around the park, which Lomax, Gaskell and Wheeler are struggling to do at present. He would give our halfs the chance to play along side an experienced half where as at the moment, if it's not in their bag of tricks they don't know it.

If we signed him at centre that would be a mistake as we would still lack the leadership we need to direct the play and shut down tight games.

this is all hyperthetical talk though.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:46 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

Depends what you think he will bring. For me it will be as a half guiding the team around the park, which Lomax, Gaskell and Wheeler are struggling to do at present. He would give our halfs the chance to play along side an experienced half where as at the moment, if it's not in their bag of tricks they don't know it.

If we signed him at centre that would be a mistake as we would still lack the leadership we need to direct the play and shut down tight games.

this is all hyperthetical talk though.

I wouldn't sign Lyon as a halfback. If its Lyon or a out and out halfback id give Lyon a miss. We need a proper halfback and not a centre who makes a decent stand off.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:59 pm  

St pete wrote:

I wouldn't sign Lyon as a halfback. If its Lyon or a out and out halfback id give Lyon a miss. We need a proper halfback and not a centre who makes a decent stand off.

I'm with you on that. I don't understand the fixation people seem to have with Lyon playing at stand off. To me he didn't look comfortable in that position the couple of times he played there for us, and Manly didn't persist with playing him there for long.

He's a very talented guy, so I'm sure he'd make a decent stand off, but why anyone would want to move him from centre, where he is exquisite, is beyond me.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:09 pm  

Dux wrote:

I'm with you on that. I don't understand the fixation people seem to have with Lyon playing at stand off. To me he didn't look comfortable in that position the couple of times he played there for us, and Manly didn't persist with playing him there for long.

He's a very talented guy, so I'm sure he'd make a decent stand off, but why anyone would want to move him from centre, where he is exquisite, is beyond me.

Exactly. I'd love him to be back as he was brilliant to watch and worth the gate money alone but as a centre and at the moment we are in urgent need for a proper halfback.

Watts the stand off at Widnes (he's injured) would have been just the signing we need as the ain't many top class halves available.

I'd love brown to bring brough with him or if we signed Catalan #7.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:19 pm  

sanjunien wrote:

Sir Steve Menzies is 38 FFS - age doesn't have to be a barrier - if he's fit and motivated why can't JL be a great re-signing ?

You're quite right but it doesn't mean that everybody retains the same level of quality as they age. I daresay one of the reasons that Menzies is over here is to prolong his career for a couple more years. How old was Gidley when he came over because I remember people complaining about his final year saying that time had caught with up or rather Super League had. Lyon would probably cost us megabucks and if we could guarantee he came over with the same sort of quality as first time he would probably be worth it but what happens if he doesn't? I'd rather chance our arm on someone else if we're talking about a big chunk of our salary cap.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:28 pm  

Look what many said about Craig Gowers when the Broncos signed him aged 34, yesterday at the JJB he was
running the game and he is improving with every match, so Jamie should have no problems.

Re: Jamie Lyon? : Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:31 pm  

McClennan wrote:

You're quite right but it doesn't mean that everybody retains the same level of quality as they age. I daresay one of the reasons that Menzies is over here is to prolong his career for a couple more years. How old was Gidley when he came over because I remember people complaining about his final year saying that time had caught with up or rather Super League had. Lyon would probably cost us megabucks and if we could guarantee he came over with the same sort of quality as first time he would probably be worth it but what happens if he doesn't? I'd rather chance our arm on someone else if we're talking about a big chunk of our salary cap.

that's fair comment mate - it will be interesting to see the kind of ideas the new coach will advocate