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Re: James Graham : Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:16 pm  
bewareshadows wrote:
No idea who is available, but surely there must be some British props somewhere.

Yeah. We promoted four of them to the first team this season.

I'd like to see the best of the bunch drip fed into the team. We happened upon some great halfbacks and a great winger/fullback last season. There is no reason to believe we couldn't happen upon a great prop or two of our own this season.
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Re: James Graham : Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:18 pm  
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He most certainly does. :LOVE:



He looked in tip top shape Friday night. Didn't look fat at all in his t-shirt. His arms are massive.

He also said he spoke to Jamie Lyon and he'd love to come back but his mrs ain't up for at moment but maybe in few years.
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Re: James Graham : Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:21 pm  
Saddened! wrote:
Rubbish, Andy Lynch moved last season. He isn't far from Jammer's level.


Maybe at darts. Or welly hurling.

Rugby ability? Not a chance.
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Re: James Graham : Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:34 pm  
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Yeah. We promoted four of them to the first team this season..


Let's say one, two, or even all of them, are viable future players - unless they are rare freaks (Cunningham, Farrell etc.), none of them will be physically capable of holding down a shirt for any serious length of time until 2015 or 2016.

We need a first team prop for 2013.
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Re: James Graham : Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:47 pm  
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We need a first team prop for 2013.


Have you written this year off already? How very pesimistic of you. :wink:
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Re: James Graham : Wed Feb 29, 2012 12:50 pm  
How's this for a combined Wigan Saints young team

Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Wheeler
Makinson
Gaskell
Lomax
Mossop
McIlorum
Spencer / Crosby
Dixon
Hughes / Tuson
Farrell.
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Re: James Graham : Wed Feb 29, 2012 1:35 pm  
Mugwump wrote:
Let's say one, two, or even all of them, are viable future players - unless they are rare freaks (Cunningham, Farrell etc.), none of them will be physically capable of holding down a shirt for any serious length of time until 2015 or 2016.

We need a first team prop for 2013.

So we start playing the best of them now. That way, we will have a first team prop for 2013.

James Graham had his debut at 18. How old was Paul Clough when he had his? I can't remember. Anyway, although Jammer is a freak of nature, there is no reason not to believe that buried in that group of young possibilities are one or two very good first team props.
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Re: James Graham : Wed Feb 29, 2012 4:14 pm  
Mugwump wrote:
Let's say one, two, or even all of them, are viable future players - unless they are rare freaks (Cunningham, Farrell etc.), none of them will be physically capable of holding down a shirt for any serious length of time until 2015 or 2016.

We need a first team prop for 2013.


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Re: James Graham : Thu Mar 01, 2012 9:31 pm  
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So we start playing the best of them now. That way, we will have a first team prop for 2013.

James Graham had his debut at 18. How old was Paul Clough when he had his? I can't remember. Anyway, although Jammer is a freak of nature, there is no reason not to believe that buried in that group of young possibilities are one or two very good first team props.


I really can't understand why Saints fans have a complete mental block when it comes to managing their expectations of academy players. Yes, James Graham was eighteen when he made his debut. But it took him the best part of two and a half years to physically develop into a viable, competitive first team prop that could be relied upon to pull extended shifts when injuries dictated.

It is hopelessly unrealistic to expect any academy player recently elevated to the first team squad to be fully competitive in under three years. Yes, there are some exceptions i.e. Cunningham, Graham, Farrell etc. But these are extremely rare. Better examples are players such as Clough and Dixon. The former played his first match in July of 2005 and only became competitive the best part of four seasons later whilst the latter has taken until this season to grow into an effective back row after making his debut in February of 2009.

Even physical freaks need time to develop into established players. Think of Joel Tomkins, an international back rower who was mercilessly slated by a section of Wigan fans until the age of 22/23. That's four years from the academy age of 18.

There isn't a chance in hell that ANY prop promoted from our academy this season will be ready next. AT BEST they will be two years away from final maturation sometime around the age of 20. So the most we can hope for is that they will be physically mature in 2015.

We need an established prop now - not an underdeveloped one.
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Re: James Graham : Thu Mar 01, 2012 10:16 pm  
Rogues Gallery wrote:
How's this for a combined Wigan Saints young team

Tomkins
Charnley
Goulding
Wheeler
Makinson
Gaskell
Lomax
Mossop
McIlorum
Spencer / Crosby
Dixon
Hughes / Tuson
Farrell.


Decent team, but I'd hardly call Mcllorum young in relation to the rest, he's a year away from mid-twenty.

Random post though?
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