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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Sun Feb 19, 2012 3:57 pm  
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Training routine consists of 1 move-inside ball to a forward.


Don't forget the move we do when we move it wide.

Watching Wigan last week when they was moving the ball, they runners everywhere which are options but we don't have any of that.

We see Warrington scoring top class tries while moving the ball thru hands with runners everywhere but we don't do that.

We look like its all off the cuff rugby or a 1 meter drive over the try line.
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:02 pm  
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Not this time lol

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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:25 pm  
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I don't agree with that, I think he squad is good enough to win trophies I just think we ain't a well coached side.

We play with no structure, no moves, poor kicking gave and average in defence.

I think it's individual brilliance that gives us the edge in games but I think with a coach like tony smith, Nathan brown, DA or Michael maguire would win us a trophy.

I loook at how we play and wonder just what we do in training.

Da won trophies at saints with maybe our best team ever, would he have done any better than Royce last year? I doubt it. McGuire won trophys at the goons playing dire rugby, with no squad rotation or view to bringing new players through. Would I want him at saonts? No sirree. Smith is a good coach, but has he converted warringtons dominant squad into pots? Not to the extent he should have. The grass isn't always greener, sometimes you are simply better with the devil you know.
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:28 pm  
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Da won trophies at saints with maybe our best team ever, would he have done any better than Royce last year? I doubt it. McGuire won trophys at the goons playing dire rugby, with no squad rotation or view to bringing new players through. Would I want him at saonts? No sirree. Smith is a good coach, but has he converted warringtons dominant squad into pots? Not to the extent he should have. The grass isn't always greener, sometimes you are simply better with the devil you know.



I just think we ain't well coached (I know others think this) and its showing this year.
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:33 pm  
You can't be serious! you wouldn't have McGuire at Saints!? he took a mid table side added no players and made them champions within a year with some great attack and ruthless defence. He would be one of the first on my wish list!
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:14 pm  
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You can't be serious! you wouldn't have McGuire at Saints!? he took a mid table side added no players and made them champions within a year with some great attack and ruthless defence. He would be one of the first on my wish list!


No. My morality is too strong for that. We could kill all the players from the other teams, that would make us win trophies. But it's not 'right' is it. Same with his tactics.
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:16 pm  
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You can't be serious! you wouldn't have McGuire at Saints!? he took a mid table side added no players and made them champions within a year with some great attack and ruthless defence. He would be one of the first on my wish list!

I'll give you defence but Wigan were not the most exciting team under McGuire, unless you count give it to Sam or kick it to Pat as 'exciting moves'
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:57 am  
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Smith is a good coach, but has he converted warringtons dominant squad into pots? Not to the extent he should have. The grass isn't always greener, sometimes you are simply better with the devil you know.


Smith's been in charge for two full seasons and a near full season, in that time he's won 2 Challenge Cups and a minor premiership, that's a good return for Warrington seeing as we were a) crap and bottom of the league when he came, and b) have a good squad but it is by no means an all time great dominant squad.

It is not easy to monopolise trophies. Saints had a genuine great squad under Daniel Anderson, with guys like Cunningham, Scully, Lyon and a young Roby who are all time greats, and then guys like Pryce, Wellens, Long who are in the very goods. If you look at Warrington's squad how many would you say are genuine all time greats like those Saints players? Warrington have got arguably the best squad, but its still arguable, whereas that Saints side was hands down peerlessly the best. But even there under Anderson, they only won one SL trophy, plus the Challenge Cups - it's not easy to monopolise the trophies in the salary cap era.

As for the Saints coach, jury is still out on Nathan Brown for me and I agree with the poster earlier that said he was like Martin O'Neill. If Nathan Brown went to St Helens it would be a bit like hearing Martin O'Neill is taking over Man United. You'd think...hmm....hard to make a really strong argument against, but still....hmmm
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:04 am  
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Smith's been in charge for two full seasons and a near full season, in that time he's won 2 Challenge Cups and a minor premiership, that's a good return for Warrington seeing as we were a) crap and bottom of the league when he came, and b) have a good squad but it is by no means an all time great dominant squad.

It is not easy to monopolise trophies. Saints had a genuine great squad under Daniel Anderson, with guys like Cunningham, Scully, Lyon and a young Roby who are all time greats, and then guys like Pryce, Wellens, Long who are in the very goods. If you look at Warrington's squad how many would you say are genuine all time greats like those Saints players? Warrington have got arguably the best squad, but its still arguable, whereas that Saints side was hands down peerlessly the best. But even there under Anderson, they only won one SL trophy, plus the Challenge Cups - it's not easy to monopolise the trophies in the salary cap era.

As for the Saints coach, jury is still out on Nathan Brown for me and I agree with the poster earlier that said he was like Martin O'Neill. If Nathan Brown went to St Helens it would be a bit like hearing Martin O'Neill is taking over Man United. You'd think...hmm....hard to make a really strong argument against, but still....hmmm


If you compare brown to o'neil taking over at man utd if he got the saints job, then it was like the Malaga assistan coach getting the man utd job when we gave Royce the saints job.
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Re: Nathan brown to be next saints coach? : Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:15 pm  
We are all assuming that Royce wants the job more than 2 years. I think if Royce wants an extention then he will get one.

As for Nathan Brown it is hard to understand why he would stay given how much he wanted to go home. All his will he stay will he go nonsense is worse than Eastmond's. As for his coaching ability he is one of the best games out there.
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