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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:31 pm  
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The more I think about it the more I can see that's it's a nice way of telling Saints fans that they had to borrow another £6 million to complete the stadium.

Very clever. :wink:


And there was me thinking that they were saying that the directors had paid for the stadium rather than getting loans ;).
Probably a nice little tax adjustment for somebody somewhere.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:32 pm  
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The more I think about it the more I can see that's it's a nice way of telling Saints fans that they had to borrow another £6 million to complete the stadium.

Very clever. :wink:

The more I think about it, the more I can see that rich Saints fans have paid for us to buy a brand new stadium, fit it out and wipe our Bank debts, whilst Wigan probably have bank debt and certainly rent a stadium from a football team after selling their famous old stadium to Tesco against their fans' will.

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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:32 pm  
Rogues thats poor trolling even for you :wink:

now go and have another nice cup of tea , and relax , and let us watch our shiny new stadium in the evening sunshine. :D
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:47 pm  
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Is anyone prepared to answer the question I asked? If the six million wipes out all existing debt (or should I say consolidates it) then it appears to be a very good deal, otherwise it's just borrowing more money (albeit on very good terms)


Why do you care? How does it affect you? As far as I can see it doesn't and you're just very, very jealous. Mike Coleman is a Saints fan with very deep pockets and we are very lucky to have a fan like that. You're just jealous because it didn't turn out that way for the pies. You could always try being pleased that someone is prepared to put a large sum of money into your favourite sport...
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 3:57 pm  
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Why do you care? How does it affect you? As far as I can see it doesn't and you're just very, very jealous. Mike Coleman is a Saints fan with very deep pockets and we are very lucky to have a fan like that. You're just jealous because it didn't turn out that way for the pies. You could always try being pleased that someone is prepared to put a large sum of money into your favourite sport...

Quite a few of the wigan fans have been honest enough to admit to being envious of a purpose built RL stadium, whilst the more bitter (i.e. Rogues) continue to try to pick holes in it and pretend that they love renting a soccer stadium.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:00 pm  
It doesn't bother me at all. I was asking a sensible question and certainly one I would have asked at Wigan.

Do you believe that Coleman has given Saints that money? I don't know his personal finances but wouldn't imagine he got rich by giving his money away.
Do you think that investing in a RL stadium/ team is a good investment? If he is a billionaire then I suppose it's not a problem.

If I was investing that sort of money I would expect some return.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:02 pm  
Every club would like to be in our position, but for now it's just us and wire. I'd love Wigan to have their own purpose built stadium, but for now that's a pipe dream.
Have I missed out any other clubs that wholly own their new stadia?
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:04 pm  
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Do you think that investing in a RL stadium/ team is a good investment?
Clearly not, but he's a Saints supporter so probably views it more as charity than investment. Of course a RL club is not a good investment, that goes without saying, which is why it's great that we have fans funding the new stadium rather than a Bank.

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If I was investing that sort of money I would expect some return.
You're not a Saints fan. Maybe the likes of McManus and Coleman measure their return not in terms of pounds and pence, but in terms of legacy and enjoyment?

Obviously they didn't get rich through giving money away, but nor did the "Secret Millionaires" get rich by giving away money to good causes. Not everything in life is a business decision.
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:05 pm  
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It doesn't bother me at all. I was asking a sensible question and certainly one I would have asked at Wigan.

Do you believe that Coleman has given Saints that money? I don't know his personal finances but wouldn't imagine he got rich by giving his money away.
Do you think that investing in a RL stadium/ team is a good investment? If he is a billionaire then I suppose it's not a problem.

If I was investing that sort of money I would expect some return.

Look at it from his point of view though. If you have £100 million would you not throw £6 mil at the club you've always supported?
£6 million to him is like £600 to most of us
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Re: Financing package wipes out Saints debt : Tue Oct 18, 2011 4:16 pm  
Ok no finance expert but this is the way I see it.

The club took loans from shareholders to cover debt and stadium finance. These would be repayable at an agreed interest rate.

With the stadium realsied this debt is now being converted.

here is the key. Most of this debt was probably to a small group of shareholders with a large percentage of the shares.

So they have been able to pass probably with some board meeting the conversion of this debt or a portion of it into more shares.

As a club it means the finances of the club dont have to pay off the loans. The loans are now shares that are repayable only on sale of shares. For which the club has no responsibility to buy. Shares can go up or down in value so the shares may make a profit or a loss.

Shares also produce an income from profit. However Saints never turns a profit. But with the new stadium there is every possibility that for a change a profit maybe made and so shareholders get paid a dividend.

With loans being converted to shares this means that current shareholders now have a smaller percentage of the club. Most will not be concerned as they never had a dividend before and just bought shares to help the club.

ie 100 shareholders get more of the profit than 200 share holders. As the profit is split more ways.
So in answer to rouges the only impact will be felt by current shareholders as the profit will be split more ways. But they wont feel that effect with the club having not turned a profit for years.
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