Re: Wilkin and graham : Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:51 pm  

St pete wrote:

You've written enough on here for such a stupid thread.

I suppose you think it's ok for jammer to rant and rave at players because he's jammer, our best player.

Just for you miss perfect.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 9:25 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

But you're talking about Jammer here. He does everything with a bulging eye and an aggressive face. I'm sure he dropped out of his mother's womb looking like that!

You have no idea what was said; none of us do. I just think it's amusing how Saints fans have taken on board the OP's assumptions.

Wilkin quite clearly says "Shut the xxxx up" followed by something along the lines of "who are you?". He is also clearly riled while saying it. You don't have to be a lipreader to spot that, and I spotted it on the first watch, before this thread was started.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 10:52 am  

Dux wrote:

Wilkin quite clearly says "Shut the xxxx up" followed by something along the lines of "who are you?".

Aye. 'Something along the lines of'! In other words, you don't know what was said. People can say 'shut the xxxx up' for any reason. There are some assumptions being made about conversations, the content of which no-one knows, which have taken place on a rugby pitch, as they always do. It's all a bit Heat magazine for me!

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:49 am  

SaintsFan wrote:

Aye. 'Something along the lines of'! In other words, you don't know what was said. People can say 'shut the xxxx up' for any reason. There are some assumptions being made about conversations, the content of which no-one knows, which have taken place on a rugby pitch, as they always do. It's all a bit Heat magazine for me!

In that case, you won't mind if I tell you to shut the xxxx up?

Joking aside, though, I don't think it is a question of gossip. Clearly Wilkin was upset by Graham's response to his mistake (which, in fact, wasn't a mistake at all), and we've all seen Jammer venting his frustrations on teammates and referees alike in the past. Isn't the man management style of our co-captain a perfectly valid rugby-related point of discussion?

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:42 pm  

Dux wrote:

In that case, you won't mind if I tell you to shut the xxxx up?

Joking aside, though, I don't think it is a question of gossip. Clearly Wilkin was upset by Graham's response to his mistake (which, in fact, wasn't a mistake at all), and we've all seen Jammer venting his frustrations on teammates and referees alike in the past. Isn't the man management style of our co-captain a perfectly valid rugby-related point of discussion?

I agree, his man management is very poor. His ranting and raving at players dont helP anyone. He needs to cut it out. I'm all fir showing passion but turning on your own mates ain't good for the team.

IMO he's not got the class or quality to be a good captain.

He's a great player and prob one of the best in the world but he's not perfect and makes mistakes like any other player. I'd love to see his reaction if some ranted and raved at him for his miss tackle at hull that cost us a try and possibly the game.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:55 pm  

Dux wrote:

Isn't the man management style of our co-captain a perfectly valid rugby-related point of discussion?

Yes, it is, but based upon what we actually know rather than some Heat-style gossip garbage drummed up by an opposition fan who thinks he or she can lip read and interpret everything based upon snatches of interaction on the TV. All we know really is that Jammer gets red faced when on the rugby pitch. We don't know what he's saying or why he is saying it, most of us don't know him at all, just his on-field persona. Or what brief glimpses of it that we see.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 12:58 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Yes, it is, but based upon what we actually know rather than some Heat-style gossip garbage drummed up by an opposition fan who thinks he or she can lip read and interpret everything based upon snatches of interaction on the TV. All we know really is that Jammer gets red faced when on the rugby pitch. We don't know what he's saying or why he is saying it, most of us don't know him at all, just his on-field persona. Or what brief glimpses of it that we see.

Seems as tho your the only person that can't see what wilkin and jammer was saying.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:11 pm  

St pete wrote:

Seems as tho your the only person that can't see what wilkin and jammer was saying.

I'm the only one not taken in by an opposition fan's speculation on what they were saying.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:14 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

I'm the only one not taken in by an opposition fan's speculation on what they were saying.

I noticed it when I watch the game back on Friday night. I've noticed many times that he often shouts at players if they make mistakes.

Anyone would think jammer was perfect.

Re: Wilkin and graham : Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:19 pm  

St pete wrote:

I noticed it when I watch the game back on Friday night. I've noticed many times that he often shouts at players if they make mistakes.

That's your interpretation.

Anyone would think jammer was perfect.

I don't see anyone on here saying that.