Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 1:13 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Graham was also partly responsible for the try that came from the Obst chip (or is that the same try you are talking about)
Graham didn't really read the danger and started his chase a fraction too late.

For those of you who missed it the tries are shown again on Sky Sports 4 at 6 p.m.

Translation: I'm so desperate to try and not recognise Graham as being truly world class that I'm trying to pinpoint every single move he makes because I will never believe he's the best British prop since Kevin Ward and better than anything Wigoon have produced since year dot. And in fact I'll probably quote this back and mention some guy from the 50s who ran through a couple of beer bellied part-timers in the 50s as being the best I've ever seen.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 1:14 pm  

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 1:25 pm  

TKO.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 1:30 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Translation: I'm so desperate to try and not recognise Graham as being truly world class that I'm trying to pinpoint every single move he makes because I will never believe he's the best British prop since Kevin Ward and better than anything Wigoon have produced since year dot. And in fact I'll probably quote this back and mention some guy from the 50s who ran through a couple of beer bellied part-timers in the 50s as being the best I've ever seen.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 5:01 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Translation: I'm so desperate to try and not recognise Graham as being truly world class that I'm trying to pinpoint every single move he makes because I will never believe he's the best British prop since Kevin Ward and better than anything Wigoon have produced since year dot. And in fact I'll probably quote this back and mention some guy from the 50s who ran through a couple of beer bellied part-timers in the 50s as being the best I've ever seen.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 5:31 pm  

Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash. But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Meters per carrie. Graham: 6.7 Fielden: 7.9 Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times.

Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash. But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Meters per carrie. Graham: 6.7 Fielden: 7.9 Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 5:35 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Translation: I'm so desperate to try and not recognise Graham as being truly world class that I'm trying to pinpoint every single move he makes because I will never believe he's the best British prop since Kevin Ward and better than anything Wigoon have produced since year dot. And in fact I'll probably quote this back and mention some guy from the 50s who ran through a couple of beer bellied part-timers in the 50s as being the best I've ever seen.

Comprehensive smashing.

That is how to respond to trolling, people.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 5:39 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash.

But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO.

Could be true. But let's remember that he was playing in a pack which had two 20 stone beasts and Brian Mcdermott up front, with little Jamie Peacock having to settle for a place in the back row.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 6:21 pm  

McClennan wrote:

Translation: I'm so desperate to try and not recognise Graham as being truly world class that I'm trying to pinpoint every single move he makes because I will never believe he's the best British prop since Kevin Ward and better than anything Wigoon have produced since year dot. And in fact I'll probably quote this back and mention some guy from the 50s who ran through a couple of beer bellied part-timers in the 50s as being the best I've ever seen.

Re: McGennis : Wed May 04, 2011 7:05 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote: Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash. But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Meters per carrie. Graham: 6.7 Fielden: 7.9 Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times. At his peak Fielden was very good but 600m extra in two games less is a pretty big difference. That's an average of 30m per game and Also why did you not pick Graham's 2009 season which would give you a difference of 67m per game? Those are big figures particularly when you consider the quality of defence on offer in those two respective seasons i.e. the average points differentials for the bottom six were -269 (SL XV), -185 (SL XIV) and -291 (SL X) and SL X was with a twelve team league as well! With the bottom four alone it was -324, -259 and -420. I don't think you can seriously compare the output of the two of them. Fielden was good at his peak but not in the same league as Graham. Once defences caught up with Fielden he melted. Perhaps the burning sun of Australia will melt Graham but he'll make a good fist of it I'm sure. Edit: The number of clean breaks over those three competitions support my view that defences were not as great then too. The average number of clean breaks per team during those seasons were 124 (XV), 142 (XIV) and 181 (X) which equates to roughly an extra line break per team per game against XIV and two against XV. Given Super League XV's average number of total line breaks per game was 9.2 (X was 13 per game) that's a significant difference in a game and over the course of a season.

LovesToSpooge wrote: Graham's the best prop in SL, and one of the very best in the World, and a player I'd have in a Wigan shirt in a flash. But just to play devil's advocate. I would say that vintage Stuart Fielden when at Bradford was just a slightly better prop IMO. http://www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2011 Meters per carrie. Graham: 6.7 Fielden: 7.9 Credit to Graham for his tenacious work in defense. But other than that he's well beaten in all other area's. Particularly offload's, clean breaks and tackles bust. James does make less errors, but anyone who's watched Fielden from the start of his career will know Stuart's always been a little guilty of butter fingers at times. At his peak Fielden was very good but 600m extra in two games less is a pretty big difference. That's an average of 30m per game and Also why did you not pick Graham's 2009 season which would give you a difference of 67m per game? Those are big figures particularly when you consider the quality of defence on offer in those two respective seasons i.e. the average points differentials for the bottom six were -269 (SL XV), -185 (SL XIV) and -291 (SL X) and SL X was with a twelve team league as well! With the bottom four alone it was -324, -259 and -420. I don't think you can seriously compare the output of the two of them. Fielden was good at his peak but not in the same league as Graham. Once defences caught up with Fielden he melted. Perhaps the burning sun of Australia will melt Graham but he'll make a good fist of it I'm sure. Edit: The number of clean breaks over those three competitions support my view that defences were not as great then too. The average number of clean breaks per team during those seasons were 124 (XV), 142 (XIV) and 181 (X) which equates to roughly an extra line break per team per game against XIV and two against XV. Given Super League XV's average number of total line breaks per game was 9.2 (X was 13 per game) that's a significant difference in a game and over the course of a season.