Re: Home grown players : Thu Oct 14, 2010 6:35 pm  

inside_man wrote:

But doesn't that have to happen every so often so you can build on that next time around?

But that is what we HAVE been doing!

People have looked at the figures and seen young players. ( ) But that is not what the figures are referring to. They are referring to home grown players and we have been leading the way since 2007.

Keiron Cunningham and Paul Wellens - ancient and have been at Saints forever - both home grown.
James Graham and James Roby - aged 24/25 - home grown
Paul Clough - aged 23/24 - home grown
Chris Dean and Scott Moore - aged 22/23 - home grown
Kyle Eastmond and Gary Wheeler - aged 21/22 - home grown
Jamie Foster and Jonny Lomax - aged 20 - home grown

(And there are more than those mentioned above, obviously, including the likes of Ian Hardman, Matty Smith and Ste Tyrer who have come and gone in those years as well as a number of other very young players who made their debuts during 2009/2010)

We've been doing exactly as you suggest for a few years now and we have not been replacing the older players who have been leaving with the same number of imports or older players. In fact, although we have bought three players in for 2011, we bought only one for each season of 2009 and 2010, while losing seven first team players during the same period.

Re: Home grown players : Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:42 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

Gardner and Wilkin were both signed as kids (19 I think), so like I said, it would depend if the criteria is two or three years prior to 21. I didn't count Maurie in there either

Smith came through our Academy, what other definition of home grown do you want? And he replaced another home grown player in Eastmond.

I don't doubt that the figure is higher than it would be due to injuries, I just don't think it would be that much higher.

Btw, does this mean that you accept that we've had major injury problems this year?

I know you didnt count Maurie but barring injury would he have not played more therefore took the place of an Home grown? Yes smith came through your system but again wouldnt have got a game normally.

Dont think Wilkin and Gardner count but if they do I think its abit of a dis service to Barrow and Hull KR to say St Helens produced them!

And ive never said you havent had injury problems

SaintsFan wrote:

inside_man wrote:

But doesn't that have to happen every so often so you can build on that next time around?

But that is what we HAVE been doing!

People have looked at the figures and seen young players. ( ) But that is not what the figures are referring to. They are referring to home grown players and we have been leading the way since 2007.

Keiron Cunningham and Paul Wellens - ancient and have been at Saints forever - both home grown.
James Graham and James Roby - aged 24/25 - home grown
Paul Clough - aged 23/24 - home grown
Chris Dean and Scott Moore - aged 22/23 - home grown
Kyle Eastmond and Gary Wheeler - aged 21/22 - home grown
Jamie Foster and Jonny Lomax - aged 20 - home grown

(And there are more than those mentioned above, obviously, including the likes of Ian Hardman, Matty Smith and Ste Tyrer who have come and gone in those years as well as a number of other very young players who made their debuts during 2009/2010)

We've been doing exactly as you suggest for a few years now and we have not been replacing the older players who have been leaving with the same number of imports or older players. In fact, although we have bought three players in for 2011, we bought only one for each season of 2009 and 2010, while losing seven first team players during the same period.

I didnt confuse home grown with young! But the figure is so high as you have played more youngsters due to injurys. Had Soliola played all season would foster/wheeler/ Lomax have played as many games?

Re: Home grown players : Thu Oct 14, 2010 10:58 pm  

Ian Roberts Closet wrote:

I know you didnt count Maurie but barring injury would he have not played more therefore took the place of an Home grown? Yes smith came through your system but again wouldnt have got a game normally.

But he replaced other homegrown players though, he replaced Eastmond.

Dont think Wilkin and Gardner count but if they do I think its abit of a dis service to Barrow and Hull KR to say St Helens produced them!

I agree, but the rules is the rules . I think you may be right and they are federation trained anyway.

And ive never said you havent had injury problems

Good

I didnt confuse home grown with young! But the figure is so high as you have played more youngsters due to injurys. Had Soliola played all season would foster/wheeler/ Lomax have played as many games?

I think so, I don't think he'd have lasted at centre long and Foster and Lomax played mostly on the wing rather than at centre.