Re: top 4 predictions! : Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:01 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

What? Wigan smashed the Saints pack in the final, granted we scored our points out wide but we'd have never got those chances had we not fronted up and beaten the Saints pack.

I thought the packs were fairly even.

The difference lay in Tomkins returning the ball exceptionally well following our poor kicking performance giving you better field position to work from.

You pack was driving you towards our 20m line starting from your 40m line, ours was getting us to the half way line from our 10m line.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Thu Oct 07, 2010 1:07 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

I thought the packs were fairly even.

The difference lay in Tomkins returning the ball exceptionally well following our poor kicking performance giving you better field position to work from.

You pack was driving you towards our 20m line starting from your 40m line, ours was getting us to the half way line from our 10m line.

Fair enough. I just dispute the statement "Wigan avoided our pack in the grand final". I think that's far from the truth.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Thu Oct 07, 2010 6:04 pm  

Top four for 2011.

Wigan
Saints
Hudds
then either Leeds or Wire.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Thu Oct 07, 2010 7:09 pm  

LovesToSpooge wrote:

Fair enough. I just dispute the statement "Wigan avoided our pack in the grand final". I think that's far from the truth.

I'd agree with you, if your pack hadn't fronted up we'd have bashed you all over the place.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Thu Oct 07, 2010 9:00 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Do YOU think that Saints can match that strength in depth?
Wasn't that what I intimated, or do I have to spell everything out for you?

Your pack was well beaten on Saturday night, now add Lima, Mossop, Hock & Hoffman to that pack and it will take some beating.

Without peeing on your Fire, hoffman don't really want to be here and not great, lima ain't even first choice for kiwis, hock ( if he's back fir pies) ain't played rugby for 2yrs.

The list you've put earlier in the thread don't send any fear really. Fielden had 1 good year in 4yrs, coley, hanson, tuson, Prescott, Mick mac are all average.

You can't rite our pack off from the cup final display, our pack has been awesome this year and also been better than yours over the course of the year.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Fri Oct 08, 2010 6:54 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Impossible to say. Given how weak our squad is (To qualify that we must have the fewest senior players in Super League and the kids are all too small plus we no longer have any world class strike players in the outside backs) we could finish amongst the likes of Hull, Hull KR, Huddersfield and be way off the pace. Alternatively if the new coach has the same impact Maguire had on what is an average squad we could compete for top spot.

I've heard nothing but bad things about Royce's coaching, but we can't do anything but wait and see.

I think playing out at Widnes in front of 4,000 most weeks won't help much either.

We've probably sold around 3000 '5 year season tickets' plus the annual renewal ones!!!! So I hardly think attendances will drop from 9500 average if not higher, to a paltry 4000!! I think we'll average at least 7500 even at Widnes.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:53 am  

Big Dave Fairleigh wrote:

We've probably sold around 3000 '5 year season tickets' plus the annual renewal ones!!!! So I hardly think attendances will drop from 9500 average if not higher, to a paltry 4000!! I think we'll average at least 7500 even at Widnes.

Oh right, there I go being all pessimistic.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Fri Oct 08, 2010 9:57 am  

St pete wrote:

Without peeing on your Fire, hoffman don't really want to be here and not great, lima ain't even first choice for kiwis, hock ( if he's back fir pies) ain't played rugby for 2yrs.

The list you've put earlier in the thread don't send any fear really. Fielden had 1 good year in 4yrs, coley, hanson, tuson, Prescott, Mick mac are all average.

You can't rite our pack off from the cup final display, our pack has been awesome this year and also been better than yours over the course of the year.

Do you think that Ashurst, Magennis and Dixon are better than Farrell, Tuson and Mossop, or that Wilkin is better than Tomkins or Hansen?

Look at the strength in depth. Injuries WILL happen to all sides, and I believe Wigan packwise are in a better position than any other team cover for them.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:11 am  

Saddened! wrote:

Oh right, there I go being all pessimistic.

It's not like you at all is it We'll see who is closest. 4000 or 7500+.

Saints to scrape 4th I reckon. Further transition next year and I think it will take a while for Simmons to sort us out and get us playing well.

Re: top 4 predictions! : Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:51 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

Do you think that Ashurst, Magennis and Dixon are better than Farrell, Tuson and Mossop, or that Wilkin is better than Tomkins or Hansen?

Look at the strength in depth. Injuries WILL happen to all sides, and I believe Wigan packwise are in a better position than any other team cover for them.

Farrel and Mossop look like they could turn out to be very good players, but i've never seen Tuson do much, when i've watched Wigan (albeit mostly on Telly).

Wilkin is better than Hansen, no doubt about that in my mind. Also, Tomkins is a difficult one, he started the season like a house on fire and looked very good but then i think he started to slump a little bit, and started to do some silly things, like the kicking out incident. He needs to cut them out of his game if he's to become the player he can. At the minute, i'd say Wilkin is a better all round player than Tomkins.

As others have said, Wigan might have plenty of options but they don't have too many players in the pack that put fear into the opposition i don't think.