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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:56 pm  
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I was referring to his on-field personna. Not his social attributes.

He strikes me as a typical (or stereotypical?) halfback. He's sly, sneaky, a pain in the backside and tough as old boots. Should be good for many years to come.
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 7:58 pm  
While there is no doubting Eastmonds ability, he simply doesn't have a 1/4 of the heart Tomkins has. Tomkins takes shlt loads and gets up everytime. When things go Saints way Eastmond is a cracking player. I just doubt he has the heart to play at the top and thus will never be fit to lace Tomkins boots.

FWIW Wellens was class yesterday for you. Had that break he made been 2-3 years ago I reckon he probably would have finished it and why Potter has let Matty Smith go is beyond me :roll:
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:07 pm  
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FWIW Wellens was class yesterday for you. Had that break he made been 2-3 years ago I reckon he probably would have finished it and why Potter has let Matty Smith go is beyond me :roll:


I can see why they've let Matty Smith go, I think one of the reasons why he made such an impact coming back was because they'd had Wilkin in the halves for a while.

I'd rather have Lomax or Eastmond every day of the week.


Wellens is always class imo, if he had pace he would have been truly world class.
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:10 pm  
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I can see why they've let Matty Smith go, I think one of the reasons why he made such an impact coming back was because they'd had Wilkin in the halves for a while.

I'd rather have Lomax or Eastmond every day of the week.


Wellens is always class imo, if he had pace he would have been truly world class.


Fair enough - you see your team every week.
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:20 pm  
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While there is no doubting Eastmonds ability, he simply doesn't have a 1/4 of the heart Tomkins has. Tomkins takes shlt loads and gets up everytime. When things go Saints way Eastmond is a cracking player. I just doubt he has the heart to play at the top and thus will never be fit to lace Tomkins boots.

FWIW Wellens was class yesterday for you. Had that break he made been 2-3 years ago I reckon he probably would have finished it and why Potter has let Matty Smith go is beyond me :roll:


Surely that can't be levied at Potter?

For an outgoing coach, how much (if any) control would he have over the 2011 squad?
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:21 pm  
Gary High wrote:
Fair enough - you see your team every week.


Wigan fan mate.....
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:22 pm  
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I can see why they've let Matty Smith go, I think one of the reasons why he made such an impact coming back was because they'd had Wilkin in the halves for a while.

Huh?

Matty made such an impact because his kicking was fabulous against Warrington and our whole team that night played as one, something we haven't seen much of this season (and we haven't seen anything of a kicking game for years).

Matty Smith has only played at Superleague level consistently for one season: while at Salford. Prior to Saturday he had never played in a Saints-Wigan derby before and he had never played in a final before. That lad had a huge amount of pressure on him and he was never, ever going to meet the expectations created by his great game against Warrington. But even though his kicking in the first half was poor, he still worked hard in both defence and attack, he made the initial break for Dixon's try and he passed to Wilkin who, if he'd not dropped the ball, would have scored another try. He also kicked one great kick in the second half. But my own thoughts are that the occasion was just too much for him to handle with so little experience and such a genuine desire to work hard for his club, all the dumb changes made to the lineup by Potter complicating matters for him and everyone else.

However, it wasn't his fault we were beaten and I certainly wish he had been kept on by Saints.
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:23 pm  
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Surely that can't be levied at Potter?
For an outgoing coach, how much (if any) control would he have over the 2011 squad?

I would imagine the coach is consulted, wouldn't you? Presumably as the 'expert opinion' on who was worth keeping at the club and who wasn't.
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:27 pm  
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However, it wasn't his fault we were beaten and I certainly wish he had been kept on by Saints.


He's a player I've never really rated but I would say he would have been a better "keep" than Scott Moore.
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Re: Sam Tomkins : Sun Oct 03, 2010 8:31 pm  
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I would imagine the coach is consulted, wouldn't you? Presumably as the 'expert opinion' on who was worth keeping at the club and who wasn't.


Probably, but if McManus was sitting down planning for next season, surely your new coach would have had a say. After all, it'll be him who'll have to work with the players day in, day out.
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