Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:47 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

When Dobson was injured, HKR deregistered him in order to play Willie Mason.

I think that loophole was dealt with after that incident, Saints Fan might be correct.

If a player is released it would seem illogical for the RFL to count them on the quota though

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:49 pm  

We could de register Perry to fit in Walsh. Providing we have enough spare cap space to cover a wage for Walsh, which I think we probably do.

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:02 pm  

Albion wrote:

I think that loophole was dealt with after that incident, Saints Fan might be correct.

It seems there were two loopholes in one here and only one has been closed!

Taken from the RFL Operational Rules:

REGISTRATION OF AN OVERSEAS PLAYER
C1:4:7
An "overseas Player" who is removed from a Club Register during the Season cannot then be placed back on that
Club's Register in that same Season save with the permission of the Board.

So a player could be deregistered but not re-registered, in which case we would have to compensate them if we wanted to deregister them.

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:18 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

So a player could be deregistered but not re-registered, in which case we would have to compensate them if we wanted to deregister them.

I'm not sure we'd have to compensate them over and above their salary provided they agreed.

I guess you reach a point where deregistration could be construed as constructive dismissal though, which would be ropey territory.

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:45 pm  

The rules are quite clear. We can de-register one of the overseas deadweights to accomodate Walshy, but they wouldn't be able to be re-registered. We could only do the above if we had cap room for both players, as because they had played for the club this season, any payments made to them will count.

I can't see why we wouldn't have cap room. We could pay Walshy minimum wage this season and give him the extra next year.

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:47 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

We could pay Walshy minimum wage this season and give him the extra next year.

Don't they average over the length of the contract post "Spirit Of The Cap" shennanigans?

It's the deregistration that will be difficult. If my boss wanted rid of me and decided he would give me absolutely no work and tell me to sit at home, as great as that sounds I'm pretty sure I'd have a case for constructive dismissal.

If you paid up a players contract to get rid of them, would the payment count in the year it was made, or would it go over the period of the remainder of the contract you are paying off?

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:19 pm  

The payment counts in the year it is paid, you can't forward pay either, spirit of the cap.

But there would be no need to in the case of someone like Perry as he only has a year left. The big IF is does Walsh actually want to come early? And can Penrith afford to lose him at this stage in their season.


There are a lot of IF's for this to be possible.

IF Penrith get Soward,
IF Saints can de-register
IF Saints can get a visa
IF Saints have the cap
IF IF IF.

It would seem more likely come the playoffs we may get him early if Penrith are out of the running. Slightly less IF's there.

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 5:40 pm  

bewareshadows wrote:

The payment counts in the year it is paid, you can't forward pay either, spirit of the cap.

But there would be no need to in the case of someone like Perry as he only has a year left. The big IF is does Walsh actually want to come early? And can Penrith afford to lose him at this stage in their season.


There are a lot of IF's for this to be possible.

IF Penrith get Soward,
IF Saints can de-register
IF Saints can get a visa
IF Saints have the cap
IF IF IF.

It would seem more likely come the playoffs we may get him early if Penrith are out of the running. Slightly less IF's there.

There's a deadline now though isn't there after the johns and Morley situations at wire and bulls respectively?

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 6:34 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Don't they average over the length of the contract post "Spirit Of The Cap" shennanigans?

It's the deregistration that will be difficult. If my boss wanted rid of me and decided he would give me absolutely no work and tell me to sit at home, as great as that sounds I'm pretty sure I'd have a case for constructive dismissal.

If you paid up a players contract to get rid of them, would the payment count in the year it was made, or would it go over the period of the remainder of the contract you are paying off?

You are getting so bogged down in legislation and rights. People have accidents all the time.

Re: Luke Walsh : Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:47 pm  

We need this bloke NOW.