Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:58 am  

who cares what tesco put in? in their terms they could throw £10 mil at it on the off chance of getting a new supermarket built. They make that much every day or 2. The cost involved here are peanuts to them.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:48 pm  

saint at wire wrote:

I'm sorry I just don't buy the story that Tesco are just taking care of themselves. If we needed to help develop a site that is too big for us we should surely just reduce the site size and let them sing for their store. Did we really say well we can get your store application through on the back of our stadium (which would have stood a big ZERO % chance of approvalwithout our stadium) but all we want is for you to assist in the site development and build your own store?

Did Wire have the same development company we have? I don't know. What I do know, though, is only what I was told at the meeting I have referred to earlier. In that meeting it was clearly stated that Tesco were building their own store, that their car parking would not be available to RL supporters and that their presence has enabled the site to be developed. They may well be helping to fund the servicing of the site - after all, they need water, drainage, access, etc, just as Saints do - but at no time have any other partners been mentioned in relation to Saints' stadium other than Langtree (the developers) and St Helens Council. And at no time did the hierarchy of Saints say that Tesco were in any way involved in the funding or otherwise of the Saints stadium. £8 million it would seem is fully sufficient to build a stadium and the £8 million is the sale price on Knowsley Road (which Taylor wotsit were upset about at the lowest point of the recession but presumably they have come to terms with it subsequently).

Just because Wire experienced a certain relationship with Tesco does not mean Saints will experience the exact same relationship.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:01 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Did Wire have the same development company we have? I don't know. What I do know, though, is only what I was told at the meeting I have referred to earlier. In that meeting it was clearly stated that Tesco were building their own store, that their car parking would not be available to RL supporters and that their presence has enabled the site to be developed. They may well be helping to fund the servicing of the site - after all, they need water, drainage, access, etc, just as Saints do - but at no time have any other partners been mentioned in relation to Saints' stadium other than Langtree (the developers) and St Helens Council. And at no time did the hierarchy of Saints say that Tesco were in any way involved in the funding or otherwise of the Saints stadium. £8 million it would seem is fully sufficient to build a stadium and the £8 million is the sale price on Knowsley Road (which Taylor wotsit were upset about at the lowest point of the recession but presumably they have come to terms with it subsequently).

Just because Wire experienced a certain relationship with Tesco does not mean Saints will experience the exact same relationship.

My understanding is that Langtree will develope the whole site, as we know, unlike the stadium Tesco will not fund the building of the supermarket, but instead rent the supermarket from Langtree for x number of years, this is how developers make money, part of the profit Langtree make will be used to offset some of the cost of the stadium.
Spen Hill (tesco) will do exactly the same on Chalon Way, Debenhams are rumoured to be locating in the marque building, they will rent from Spen Hill.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:07 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Did Wire have the same development company we have? I don't know. What I do know, though, is only what I was told at the meeting I have referred to earlier. In that meeting it was clearly stated that Tesco were building their own store, that their car parking would not be available to RL supporters and that their presence has enabled the site to be developed. They may well be helping to fund the servicing of the site - after all, they need water, drainage, access, etc, just as Saints do - but at no time have any other partners been mentioned in relation to Saints' stadium other than Langtree (the developers) and St Helens Council. And at no time did the hierarchy of Saints say that Tesco were in any way involved in the funding or otherwise of the Saints stadium. £8 million it would seem is fully sufficient to build a stadium and the £8 million is the sale price on Knowsley Road (which Taylor wotsit were upset about at the lowest point of the recession but presumably they have come to terms with it subsequently).

Just because Wire experienced a certain relationship with Tesco does not mean Saints will experience the exact same relationship.

Are you a politician by any chance?

As far as I am concerned the fact of the matter was that the Tesco approval was absolutley crucial to the Stadium being a reality. I think most people believed that meant a similar arrangement to the dire i.e. a large cash contribution in addition to them helping in developing the site and building their own car park and store. I think that it would be very odd indeed if that was their only contribution.

When all that anti-Wm Morrison stuff was going on; that was to support Tesco's new store which was part of the funding package - or so people believed - for our Stadium.
Am I on my own with this, cos to me it seems very strange that we are not seeing a splodge of cash on its way to the club with season's greetings from Tesco as per the HJ.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:43 pm  

saint at wire wrote:

Are you a politician by any chance?

As far as I am concerned the fact of the matter was that the Tesco approval was absolutley crucial to the Stadium being a reality. I think most people believed that meant a similar arrangement to the dire i.e. a large cash contribution in addition to them helping in developing the site and building their own car park and store. I think that it would be very odd indeed if that was their only contribution.

When all that anti-Wm Morrison stuff was going on; that was to support Tesco's new store which was part of the funding package - or so people believed - for our Stadium.
Am I on my own with this, cos to me it seems very strange that we are not seeing a splodge of cash on its way to the club with season's greetings from Tesco as per the HJ.

No, I think Tesco will be involved a lot more than other people are saying they are, same as they were with the proposed Everton site in Kirkby. There would be little need for us to jump on the back of them if they weren't, and we're very much the junior partners on the site with parking and location. Why is that the case if all they are providing is the improvements to the infrastructure of the site?

Very few people on here will know exactly what the funding arrangements are, if anyone. They'll have bits and bobs of information cribbed from here and there, but who knows if that is the truth? Most of it will be conjecture. Sadfish, will probably know the fullest picture of the process, but why would McManus tell even him ( ) the full story?

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:13 pm  

saint at wire wrote:

As far as I am concerned the fact of the matter was that the Tesco approval was absolutley crucial to the Stadium being a reality.

Yes, of course it was. However, the information given was that Tesco were needed to enable the site's development. Would Langtree have allowed the stadium to have been built while leaving the rest of the site derelict? Would such a plan have been passed by the Council? I would suggest the answer to both those questions is no. Tesco are crucial - as indeed are Taylor Wimpey (without the sale of KR, there are no funds for Saints to build) - because they facilitate the development of the whole site, which in turn is necessary for the stadium to be built.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:35 am  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

No, I think Tesco will be involved a lot more than other people are saying they are, same as they were with the proposed Everton site in Kirkby. There would be little need for us to jump on the back of them if they weren't, and we're very much the junior partners on the site with parking and location. Why is that the case if all they are providing is the improvements to the infrastructure of the site?

Very few people on here will know exactly what the funding arrangements are, if anyone. They'll have bits and bobs of information cribbed from here and there, but who knows if that is the truth? Most of it will be conjecture. Sadfish, will probably know the fullest picture of the process, but why would McManus tell even him ( ) the full story?

you are right of course Tesco always stated no cash only a vague "value". As stated on the saints / langrtee stadium web site:

Without the development of a retail store on the former United Glass site it would not be financially viable to construct the proposed new stadium.

This is because the retail store would act as an enabling component, facilitating the development of the stadium and associated infrastructure and public realm works.

Furthermore, the relocation of Tesco from its existing site is required for the proposed retail development to proceed at Chalon Way in the town centre.

A great piece of managment / PR speak that doesn't actually say very much!
I give up; it looks like no cash but a bit of help with the roadways and drains etc!!
It looks like Dire did a better job of squeezing Tesco's pips than Saints and Everton were able to.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Fri Jan 08, 2010 8:30 am  

saint at wire wrote:

It looks like Dire did a better job of squeezing Tesco's pips than Saints and Everton were able to.

Hasn't the proposed Everton site been rejected by the government?

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:34 pm  

Just been on the council stadium site, it looks like plans have been updated, or superseeded it says.
It gives more info, looks like the sports bar is now a cafe bar.

scroll to just above consultation.

Re: Stadium Site pictures : Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:45 pm  

SaintsFan wrote:

Hasn't the proposed Everton site been rejected by the government?

That wasn't through Tesco funding though, the locals didn't want the stadium and the surrounding local councils (St Helens included) didn't want another massive Tesco on their doorsteps.