Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:33 pm  

One other consideration is that we have been dull as dishwater to watch most of the time for the last 5 or 6 years. Brown's teams ( Hudds & St George ) played rugby which was pleasing to the eye. We have a group of players who don't know how to play "The Saints Way" , and to bring that philosophy back will take time and patience.

To all Saints fans out there TIME AND PATIENCE.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:15 pm  

Two more props and a stand off and we should be a decent team, thats whats been missing as we know all this season, so that should be a priority before anything else.

Secondary we need to play as a team with the right attitude this is what has made us the worst saints team for 30 years.

I said early this season clubs will struggle getting proven quality players and we have hit this scenario first, Warrington for instance will lose half a team shortly with players in the 30+ agegroup. Only the Wigoons look healthy with good young players with the help of a good structure.

For Saints, we must find our own development structure to accelerate the like of Percival, Charnock, Swift, Thompson, Yates etc into class players to the standard
requirement needed for success.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:03 pm  

Top Saint wrote:

To all Saints fans out there TIME AND PATIENCE.

We have given time and patience for 5 years plus now.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:15 pm  

Longy_7 wrote:

We have given time and patience for 5 years plus now.

We've been to grand finals for most of those 5 years.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Thu Jul 04, 2013 8:43 pm  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

We've been to grand finals for most of those 5 years.

Valid point but we didn't bring home any silverware did we????

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:43 am  

Billinge_Lump wrote:

We've been to grand finals for most of those 5 years.

Time and patience is all well and good, but just because the chairman declares we are rebuilding a team does not mean we have to endure the standard of performance put in by Saints on Friday - and that wasn't the first time we have had to endure such dross this season either. The team we field at present achieved third last season. Therefore, we should expect it to be competing towards that end of the table this season too, not making 22 errors in one match and gifting 8 points to the opposition through conceding penalties. Taking fans for granted this season is not the way to invest in next season. We have still had to pay to watch the team this season and so have every right to expect top effort from the team each week.

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:00 pm  

St pete wrote:

In a ideal world we could do with 6 players because half of this team isn't good enough. Obviously your standards have dropped since we have become a mediocre team.

The only players IMO that are the usual class we've come to expect at saints in the super league era are Manu, sia, Walsmsley, Roby and lomax. The rest are either ok or just not good enough.

Yes... in your opinion...

Here we go with that barmy, pathetic, loony argument yet again that because we don't have players of the class of Long, Scully, Newlove, Lyon, KC, Iro, Goulding anymore then we've declined and can't/won't compete... Those players don't ****ing well exist in the British game anymore....

In real comparative terms our squad in pure personnel terms is not all that far off being as strong as anybody else's in the league, and not far off being as good as it's been at most other points during the last 15 years. None of the other teams in the league have Longys, Gouldings or Newloves either by the way in case you hadn't noticed...

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:06 pm  

No1 Saint wrote:

Well when you've stopped acting like a tool have a think. 2 props, 2 halfbacks and a winger as a minimum is hardly something you want to do all at once really is it?

Brown has left Hudds and they look a strong team and are challenging at the top - Brown takes over Saints and we drop off a cliff ... great stuff or is that a coincidence?

No point trying to convince some people even when facts are all around them. Fact - we keep losing games badly, Fact - we pick players all over the place instead of their settled positions, Fact - we are struggling to even make the top 8 , Fact - we have allowed ourselves to get into a position where we need to recruit a new front row and both halfbacks in one go , Fact - we have resorted to using other teams cast offs to cover in key positions because we have no depth.

Never mind, forget all he facts , you just keep living in happy happy land , soon you'll be able to just print out a copy of the table and turn it upside down then everything will be fine because we'll be near the top.

...and on what single occasion have I ever said that Brown is doing a great job and is the answer? Our personnel is not far off being where it needs to be, but enormous question marks still need to be answered over our coaching. We've not had a really good coach in 5 years now and that's been where our problems have been, not in this perceived "ambition" and "poor recruitment" BS (coaches aside). I'm as concerned as anyone else is over how half-baked we're looking at the moment (although it's still early days in his tenure as yet) - tell me when on any occasion I've said otherwise....

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Fri Jul 05, 2013 2:15 pm  

Longy_7 wrote:

We have given time and patience for 5 years plus now.

If you bothered to read my post you would see that I was referring to Brown changing the style of play from the crap we have had to put up with for 5 years, back to the SAINTS WAY.


Please keep up!!!!!

Re: THE worst Saints team .. the decline is complete (I hope : Fri Jul 05, 2013 5:24 pm  

Northampton_Saint wrote:

Yes... in your opinion...

Here we go with that barmy, pathetic, loony argument yet again that because we don't have players of the class of Long, Scully, Newlove, Lyon, KC, Iro, Goulding anymore then we've declined and can't/won't compete... Those players don't ****ing well exist in the British game anymore....

In real comparative terms our squad in pure personnel terms is not all that far off being as strong as anybody else's in the league, and not far off being as good as it's been at most other points during the last 15 years. None of the other teams in the league have Longys, Gouldings or Newloves either by the way in case you hadn't noticed...

You've got a screw loose mate. You just totally lose the plot. No wonder your a laughing stock on other teams forums with crazy comments like we've got the best pack in super league

Anyone with half of brain knows we can never replicate the teams of the likes of longy, Lyon, scully, KC etc but we should have replaced them at the time we the best quality we could at the time.

Who replaced the following players ?

Longy -

Scully -

Graham -

Gidley -

Talau -

The are others but can't be bothered listing