Re: Wigan game : Fri Mar 25, 2016 11:10 pm  

We were shocking today. Fortunately, so were Wigan. They must have made six or seven clean breaks in the second half and didn't score from any of them. They would have lost to most sides in SL with that performance today, they were just lucky they were playing us.

Today was another example of our awful, awful brand of rugby. Try to strangle the opposition to death with repeat sets and grind, grind, grind. We had so much pressure in the first half and the game was won when Wigan scored first, it was over. Had we scored during that spell of intense pressure we might have had a chance. Our defending once again was truly woeful throughout, Wigan scoring a few tries that had no place in professional RL. We can't defend our line and we won't win a big game this season.

In terms of individuals I thought SMD was okay. Makinson was Mr Average as always, Jack Owens is still a fat joker who has no place at the club. Dom Peyroux is still a clown and a joke signing, Matty Dawson is Matty Dawson and yet he's our best back this season by a country mile. What does that say about our squad? In the halves, I thought Theo played okay, he tried at least. But the decision to play him this week, when he couldn't be risked against the likes of Wakefield and Cas was just an absolute joke. If you are going to play him, FFS play him in the easier games first to get him ready. Walsh was the useless waste of a salary he always was, Tasi is still a powderpuff forward, despite having his best game for us. Amor was beaten, Roby average, Burns horrific. But to be fair to Burns we fell apart when Roby came on. LMS tried, which for this side is unsual, he's our most obvious leader, trying to gee them up when the heads were down all the time. Alex W was due a bad game for us and boy did he have one today, utter shocker from him. Jon Wilkin was very poor and is not a Captain in a million years, we've not had a Captain since Jammer left. His attempt to throw the ball at Frodo was perhaps his most telling contribution and being Jon Wilkin he naturally missed. Richards was still useless as he always is and apologies if I've missed anyone, they were obviously so anonymous I've forgotten who they are.

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 12:10 am  

Saddened! wrote:

We were shocking today. Fortunately, so were Wigan. They must have made six or seven clean breaks in the second half and didn't score from any of them. They would have lost to most sides in SL with that performance today, they were just lucky they were playing us.

Today was another example of our awful, awful brand of rugby. Try to strangle the opposition to death with repeat sets and grind, grind, grind. We had so much pressure in the first half and the game was won when Wigan scored first, it was over. Had we scored during that spell of intense pressure we might have had a chance. Our defending once again was truly woeful throughout, Wigan scoring a few tries that had no place in professional RL. We can't defend our line and we won't win a big game this season.

In terms of individuals I thought SMD was okay. Makinson was Mr Average as always, Jack Owens is still a fat joker who has no place at the club. Dom Peyroux is still a clown and a joke signing, Matty Dawson is Matty Dawson and yet he's our best back this season by a country mile. What does that say about our squad? In the halves, I thought Theo played okay, he tried at least. But the decision to play him this week, when he couldn't be risked against the likes of Wakefield and Cas was just an absolute joke. If you are going to play him, FFS play him in the easier games first to get him ready. Walsh was the useless waste of a salary he always was, Tasi is still a powderpuff forward, despite having his best game for us. Amor was beaten, Roby average, Burns horrific. But to be fair to Burns we fell apart when Roby came on. LMS tried, which for this side is unsual, he's our most obvious leader, trying to gee them up when the heads were down all the time. Alex W was due a bad game for us and boy did he have one today, utter shocker from him. Jon Wilkin was very poor and is not a Captain in a million years, we've not had a Captain since Jammer left. His attempt to throw the ball at Frodo was perhaps his most telling contribution and being Jon Wilkin he naturally missed. Richards was still useless as he always is and apologies if I've missed anyone, they were obviously so anonymous I've forgotten who they are.

You need to get off that fence and say what you really think mate

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 1:01 am  

Planet KC obviously saw a different match to the 18,000 who were there:

"I thought we started phenomenally well - it was probably one of our best starts of the year - but there were a couple of opportunities we didn't take and one thing led to another," Cunningham said.

"We put ourselves in a bad spot in the last 15 minutes of the first half. We got on the back foot and couldn't get it back.

"Our left edge didn't help us whatsoever, we've got to make sides earn tries. We need to have a good look at what we're doing and that's my headache to solve. We've got to have stability on both sides of the field.

"Some of the tries they didn't have to earn, whereas we had to fight and scrap for everything we got so it's disappointing but we get to go again on Monday.

"I can't question the effort of the players in the second half, the guts and determination they showed to get us back into the game was brilliant but we've got to be a bit more ruthless as a team."

Kieran - we were never back in the game. We were just, to a man, pitifully awful. We are just a potentially mid table team which is being coached badly.

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:40 am  

saint at wire wrote:

Planet KC obviously saw a different match to the 18,000 who were there:
Kieran - we were never back in the game. We were just, to a man, pitifully awful. We are just a potentially mid table team which is being coached badly.

KC must have an eye sight problem, he reminds me of the specsavers advert with the vet and the "dead cat" thats not got a pulse.


We hit the magic 50 missed tackles mark yesterday, I think that is the worse record we,ve had in the defence department.

We made 26 tackle busts, but 2 wigan players in Manfredi and Gildart made the same amount between them. (Manfredi 19 busts).

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 7:58 am  

Saddened! wrote:

We were shocking today. Fortunately, so were Wigan. They must have made six or seven clean breaks in the second half and didn't score from any of them. They would have lost to most sides in SL with that performance today, they were just lucky they were playing us.

Today was another example of our awful, awful brand of rugby. Try to strangle the opposition to death with repeat sets and grind, grind, grind. We had so much pressure in the first half and the game was won when Wigan scored first, it was over. Had we scored during that spell of intense pressure we might have had a chance. Our defending once again was truly woeful throughout, Wigan scoring a few tries that had no place in professional RL. We can't defend our line and we won't win a big game this season.

In terms of individuals I thought SMD was okay. Makinson was Mr Average as always, Jack Owens is still a fat joker who has no place at the club. Dom Peyroux is still a clown and a joke signing, Matty Dawson is Matty Dawson and yet he's our best back this season by a country mile. What does that say about our squad? In the halves, I thought Theo played okay, he tried at least. But the decision to play him this week, when he couldn't be risked against the likes of Wakefield and Cas was just an absolute joke. If you are going to play him, FFS play him in the easier games first to get him ready. Walsh was the useless waste of a salary he always was, Tasi is still a powderpuff forward, despite having his best game for us. Amor was beaten, Roby average, Burns horrific. But to be fair to Burns we fell apart when Roby came on. LMS tried, which for this side is unsual, he's our most obvious leader, trying to gee them up when the heads were down all the time. Alex W was due a bad game for us and boy did he have one today, utter shocker from him. Jon Wilkin was very poor and is not a Captain in a million years, we've not had a Captain since Jammer left. His attempt to throw the ball at Frodo was perhaps his most telling contribution and being Jon Wilkin he naturally missed. Richards was still useless as he always is and apologies if I've missed anyone, they were obviously so anonymous I've forgotten who they are.

I agree with most of that apart but SMD did ok ? He was dire! Them tackle attempts was like a 8yrs old kid who hasn't played rugby before. He's terrified of contact just as Quinlan was last year. If nobody makes a break then SMD might as well not play.

Nobody in the backs can Beat a man and we lack pace. The back 3 yesterday was awful and imo none are good enough. Peyroux started missing tackles now but agsin shocking with the ball. Dawson, well say no more really.

Fages did ok but KC dropped him in it from great height playing him yesterday. Luke Walsh is another that's terrified of contact.

Tasi isn't good enough, he can't break tackles, hes soft as a bag of s*it. Amor did ok and started with lower back injury so I can't see him playing Monday. Wilkin as he's been all year rubbish and another that doesn't like contact. Greenwood will be at leigh soon as he's just brittle, he's not up to the physical side of the game and not good enough. LMS did ok.

Richards isn't good enough and never will. Thomson had his worst game in a Saints shirt. Big Alex doesn't look happy. He's getting tackled easier this year and not hitting the heights of last year but still a very good player.

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:45 am  

saint at wire wrote:

Planet KC obviously saw a different match to the 18,000 who were there:
Kieran - we were never back in the game. We were just, to a man, pitifully awful. We are just a potentially mid table team which is being coached badly.

Keiran has obviously enlisted the services of a quack motivaitional positivity tellyvangelist of the "i can and i will, im a winner"variety.
I wouldnt take anything from those comments,your eyes dont decieve you fans dont boo without good reason we were appalling.
Watch a half of rugby league played by warrington or widnes and compare .......enough said.

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 9:56 am  

I nearly choked when Keiron used "PHENOMENAL" as a description of Saints in the first half? was he watching the same game? his tactics seem wrong, he does not seem right, interviewed on TV just before kick off in a stupid wooly hat, when you watch his face sat in the stand, would he inspire you? and the stupid over sized head phones, what role does Sean Long play I wonder?

Someone says that Wigan were bad, well I feel their young players put 200% more effort in, there seems little style with Saints play as I said after the match the only tactic is kicking high into the corner, so many players seem flat, some of the forwards go to the ground in tackles like a bag of potatoes, something is wrong, some of the wins have not been the best, neither was last season if we are truthful.

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:07 am  

We really need a couple of hammerings in the next couple of games starting with a 50-0 loss at Widnes as a blessing in disguise. We are stuck in a coaching rut, KC and his headphones are pushed forward like a set of blinkers, I just wonder how much longer McManus will allow the demise of the club to go on with nothing looking positive on the horizon.

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:19 am  

Judder Man wrote:

We really need a couple of hammerings in the next couple of games starting with a 50-0 loss at Widnes as a blessing in disguise. We are stuck in a coaching rut, KC and his headphones are pushed forward like a set of blinkers, I just wonder how much longer McManus will allow the demise of the club to go on with nothing looking positive on the horizon.

From the way KC talks, he thinks he's some sort of coach guru and thinks he's clever.

I agree with his post match interview tho this week

Re: Wigan game : Sat Mar 26, 2016 10:50 am  

jaybs wrote:

I nearly choked when Keiron used "PHENOMENAL" as a description of Saints in the first half? was he watching the same game? his tactics seem wrong, he does not seem right, interviewed on TV just before kick off in a stupid wooly hat, when you watch his face sat in the stand, would he inspire you? and the stupid over sized head phones, what role does Sean Long play I wonder?

Someone says that Wigan were bad, well I feel their young players put 200% more effort in, there seems little style with Saints play as I said after the match the only tactic is kicking high into the corner, so many players seem flat, some of the forwards go to the ground in tackles like a bag of potatoes, something is wrong, some of the wins have not been the best, neither was last season if we are truthful.

Wigan are a far better Club than us from top to bottom at the moment. A very measured Chairman and a coach who has found a way to get his players to give 100% ALL the time. Wigan's playing structures are basic but effective.

We have massive issues. Massive.

Our Chairman needs to step back and learn some humility instead of coming out with his bombastic and legalistic ramblings the minute anyone dares to challenge anything. The stadium is nice - thanks Eamonn - but cut the rubbish that's playing in it and sort the place out. Starting with your CEO.

Then that sorting needs to start with getting an experienced coach in rather than the cheap option of the old boys Club. If he can't see what every other Saints fan can see then he no longer has the right to call himself a Chairman.

For me the buck stops with him and I'm tired of his arrogance.