Re: KC extends contract : Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:03 pm  

How anyone can have a go at McManus for all he has done for this club is unbelievable?

The majority of Saints fans are quite happy with Kieron he got us to two semifinals last year with a decimated squad of injuries?

Yes his style of play at times is awful to watch and the Widnes game last Sunday was horrific and crowds will drop off with displays like that. But he needs to get us playing better rugby or he won't see out that new contract.

Re: KC extends contract : Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:40 pm  

A very poor decision this early on and may cost us dear if we fail again and need to get shut.

Re: KC extends contract : Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:08 pm  

Rommel wrote:

How anyone can have a go at McManus for all he has done for this club is unbelievable?

The majority of Saints fans are quite happy with Kieron he got us to two semifinals last year with a decimated squad of injuries?

Yes his style of play at times is awful to watch and the Widnes game last Sunday was horrific and crowds will drop off with displays like that. But he needs to get us playing better rugby or he won't see out that new contract.

Mcmanus has been the saviour of this club and no saints fan will ever doubt that but that doesn't mean people can't put opinion forward about him based on what he's done for the club. He's human and can still mate mistakes like the rest of us.

I think mcmanus is the best thing that happened to saints, without him we have no club but I also think he made a mistake 12 month ago giving KC the job.

I'll not against KC as he was one of the greatest this club had abd I also know him very very well but this job come to early for him.

Re: KC extends contract : Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:20 pm  

Rommel wrote:

How anyone can have a go at McManus for all he has done for this club is unbelievable?

The fact he's done well for the club in the past doesn't mean he's immune to criticism, if it is even criticism. Clubs do have different priorities and aims at times. Look at Arsenal in football, wildly successful from a stadium and finance perspective over the last 15 years, but their fans would give their right leg for a Premier League title. I'm a passionate fan that believes that without attempting to be successful there is no point existing in sport. McManus is a businessman and his priorities right now might be long term stability and not taking risks. Not wrong, just different, and rubbish from both a commercial and success standpoint.

Rommel wrote:

The majority of Saints fans are quite happy with Kieron he got us to two semifinals last year with a decimated squad of injuries?

The majority of Saints fans are dumb. They refuse to blame the club for anything and the club can do no wrong. The enlightened few are as entitled as those who are brainwashed to spot that things aren't perfect. At the moment we're a 'solid' top half team but it'll be harder this season, a lot of people just refuse to believe we're not the best team in the country. I don't think semi finals should be judged as a success either. Super League is so weak that top 4 should be a guarantee, but it's not as we've allowed our own standards to slide dramatically.

Rommel wrote:

Yes his style of play at times is awful to watch and the Widnes game last Sunday was horrific and crowds will drop off with displays like that. But he needs to get us playing better rugby or he won't see out that new contract.

Of course he will. The only way Cunningham will leave Saints is if he resigns, the club will not sack him. I just hope KC is smart enough to spot the rumblings of discontent and act on them. Get the side playing quick rugby, get it attacking and let Longy loose on the halfbacks. If that's still not enough for top 4 or a trophy fine, most would accept that they tried. KC is a complete novice as a coach and I think not having an older head with him was the biggest mistake. Had Daniel Anderson or Tim Sheens been appointed as DOR it would have been a lot better, KC just needs someone to bounce ideas off and take a word or two of advice at key moments when he's making mistakes.

Re: KC extends contract : Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:31 pm  

Does it really make much difference? I mean, if we lose five straight at the start of the season Cunningham will be gone regardless. Yes, he'll be entitled to a better severance package. But nowhere near the sum of money we'd expect to pay if he picked up a trophy this year and we then extended his contract.

McManus is playing the percentages and negotiating from a position of strength whereas Cunningham's hand right now is pretty weak.

Re: KC extends contract : Fri Jan 29, 2016 7:43 pm  

Fans were happy with Brown going with the style we went with towards the end of 2014 as it was enforced. Decent forward play, little tip ons, fast PTB's and early kicks to the corner. I gave KC the benefit of the doubt when we played like this (to a poorer standard) in the middle of the season due to injuries; but when we got Walsh, Makinson, the back rowers and a fullback in, we didn't improve style-wise.

You would like to think with Burns, Walsh, Fages, Wilkin, Lomax and Turner that KC can find a combination at 6 and 7 that will get us playing a decent style again.

We seem to have loaded up on backs this year (of not necessarily a high quality) in the hope we can find a good combination somewhere and withstand the inevitable injury crisis. If KC cant find a combination between Owens Lomax SMD Makinson Percival Peyroux Turner Swift Fages Burns and Walsh that can play even borderline expansively, it'll be another long year at LP with next to no atmosphere.

Re: KC extends contract : Sat Jan 30, 2016 7:50 pm  

I'm surprised by how some of you are treating KC's contract extension

IMO he is as likely to win a major trophy with his side as he is to being so close yet again to delivering the goods but just falling short as he did last year
Brian Mac went through this self same tough introduction to being a head coach at a top SL side that was expected to deliver silverware and also received the same condemnation from some of our fans

The rest is history and Brian Mac has certainly delivered the goods when his CEO kept the faith in him

McManus has shown his loyalty to KC,Get behind them guys and keep the faith

Re: KC extends contract : Sun Jan 31, 2016 1:04 am  

The Biffs Back wrote:

I'm surprised by how some of you are treating KC's contract extension

IMO he is as likely to win a major trophy with his side as he is to being so close yet again to delivering the goods but just falling short as he did last year
Brian Mac went through this self same tough introduction to being a head coach at a top SL side that was expected to deliver silverware and also received the same condemnation from some of our fans

The rest is history and Brian Mac has certainly delivered the goods when his CEO kept the faith in him

McManus has shown his loyalty to KC,Get behind them guys and keep the faith

The difference between Saints and Leeds in that period is that Leeds had several world class players and we have one. Leeds also played entertaining rugby and we don't. But aside from that, yeah, really similar. We COULD win a trophy under KC. We COULD have won one last season. But for Saints to win a trophy we'd need help from the god of circumstance (Easy cup run, final against Wigan or Oldham , man sent off because he's a psychopath etc).

Re: KC extends contract : Sun Jan 31, 2016 8:12 am  

The Biffs Back wrote:

I'm surprised by how some of you are treating KC's contract extension

IMO he is as likely to win a major trophy with his side as he is to being so close yet again to delivering the goods but just falling short as he did last year
Brian Mac went through this self same tough introduction to being a head coach at a top SL side that was expected to deliver silverware and also received the same condemnation from some of our fans

The rest is history and Brian Mac has certainly delivered the goods when his CEO kept the faith in him

McManus has shown his loyalty to KC,Get behind them guys and keep the faith

It's nothing like Brian mac situation at all. Brian mac learnt his trade at London and it was a tough tough job but he learned and gained experience from it. KC has got the job at a big club with expectations of finishing In the top 4 every year and winning trophies.

I'd love nothing more than to win trophies with a Saints legend like KC in charge. I'd love nothing more than him to go on and be the best coach we ever had as I love KC but imo at this moment in time, he doesn't have the brain to coach a top club. Coaches can get around this by having Good staff around them but we have Longy and few examples saints mates of his and that doesn't fill me with confidence.

I just hope he's learnt from his first year and we can play Some good rugby but imo we won't make the top 4 unless our better players like lomax, percy, Burns, Walsh, Walmsley and Robes play to the max of ability every single week

Re: KC extends contract : Sun Jan 31, 2016 12:42 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

The difference between Saints and Leeds in that period is that Leeds had several world class players and we have one. Leeds also played entertaining rugby and we don't. But aside from that, yeah, really similar. We COULD win a trophy under KC. We COULD have won one last season. But for Saints to win a trophy we'd need help from the god of circumstance (Easy cup run, final against Wigan or Oldham , man sent off because he's a psychopath etc).

But we are always competitive with or without world class players, you are not giving our club enough credit on how strongly competitive we've been in the Superleague. We have had 3 specific "dominating" eras, a long one Saints and Bradford battling away, another long one Saints and Leeds battling away, and a short one with Leeds, Saints and Wigan battling away.......make note the common denominating club here.
As I,ve said many times before Superleague is poor standard these days, with the Leeds retirements the period of dominating dynasty's are now gone, the game is harder and more and more clubs are at the mercy of injury accrual. We've gone for strength in depth rather than a top quality 13, the world class players coming to the UK are drying up, so clubs will have to adjust sooner or later so maybe our club are in this realisation now, KC needs support from club leaders, players and supporters the latter seems to be in short supply by some on here.