Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:26 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

The thing is we haven't learnt our lessons from the 3 encounters, we have the worse half backs and full back in super league for defence, Leeds just ran across the line until eventually they came across these 3 players and went through the turnstiles.
We are reasonable against teams below us but a poor second when we play Leeds, we could play Leeds 5 times this season but its the last one that counts.

I think the main lesson you could learn ,would be to ask Walsh to stop kicking direct to our full back.
He is rock solid under the high ball,just like wellens in his prime. I could not believe how often you gave the ball away.
Surely you won't repeat that mistake next time we meet you.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:47 pm  

Judder Man wrote:

The thing is we haven't learnt our lessons from the 3 encounters, we have the worse half backs and full back in super league for defence,...

We undoubtedly have the worst scrum half in the league on defence. I can't really make a judgement on Quinlan (other than he's quite small) since he's only been here for a few weeks. There's nothing wrong with Burns. The guy tackles like a demon.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:50 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

We undoubtedly have the worst scrum half in the league on defence. I can't really make a judgement on Quinlan (other than he's quite small) since he's only been here for a few weeks. There's nothing wrong with Burns. The guy tackles like a demon.

At times, like when he ended JJBs night. He does however miss an awful lot of tackles. Look at the Hull KR game and Dixon's try. He misses the tackle that creates the break upfield then misses the tackle on Dixon that allows him to score.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 5:02 pm  

Saddened! wrote:

At times, like when he ended JJBs night. He does however miss an awful lot of tackles. Look at the Hull KR game and Dixon's try. He misses the tackle that creates the break upfield then misses the tackle on Dixon that allows him to score.

He misses tackles because he attempts a lot of tackles. The guy has a terrific appetite for the kind of dirty work most halves prefer not to get involved in. But he is only a half-back, which means he's going to get smoked once in a while.

I can deal with Burns missing the odd tackle in the same way I did when Sean Long was beaten.

What I can't deal with is a scrum half who has all the lateral mobility of Long John Silver.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:49 pm  

Well, they've lost Sinfield, Peacock, Aiton, possibly JJB as well for next season...2 of them are greats of the game. Aiton is a cracking little hooker and JJB has been a top servant for them.

It'll be interesting to see how they get on next season.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 8:56 pm  

You missed off Leuleuai too.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:05 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

I can't really make a judgement on Quinlan (other than he's quite small) since he's only been here for a few weeks.

He doesn,t look as though he can make any impact in a tackle and easily gets wrong footed, taking high balls and support play is excellent but defence is the worse I,ve seen in a saints full back shirt.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Tue Aug 04, 2015 9:09 pm  

tony1983 wrote:

You missed off Leuleuai too.

Forgot about him. He's been excellent for them and another big loss.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:07 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

He misses tackles because he attempts a lot of tackles. The guy has a terrific appetite for the kind of dirty work most halves prefer not to get involved in. But he is only a half-back, which means he's going to get smoked once in a while.

I can deal with Burns missing the odd tackle in the same way I did when Sean Long was beaten.

What I can't deal with is a scrum half who has all the lateral mobility of Long John Silver.

But Long could run. Were you happy with Burns 11 metres with the ball on Friday?

btw Walsh ran for 54 metres.

Re: Will we beat Leeds in 2015? : Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:42 pm  

Just been watching the game again and actually it was a better game than it seemed on the night.

I never got to watch it on TV, but when you do, you can see how hard Leeds are pounding the Saints line with both possession and territory. But we didn't crack as badly as we could have, both tries where team errors, I think Moon for the first try ran past 7 Saints players, so pinning it on Walsh is just wrong, someone should have tackled Moon far earlier.

The same for Burrows break we had started to turn the game and then in Leeds half we had a moment of Laziness and let him run across 3 players.

Leeds were very good no doubt, but we were good also, just not good enough. But it is not an insurmountable gap.
That does not mean I think we will win the next meeting, but talk of not beating Leeds this year is very premature.

We had chances in that first half that we bombed.
2 drops by LMS on the line
Greenwood dropping the ball
forward pass by walsh to Quinlan

We could have done better.