Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:34 am  

The Eclipse wrote:

What is happening with English RL ?

God knows! I got lambasted on here for suggesting they should give one of their young players a chance.

What's your opinion on Quinlan btw. I know you'll have seen much more of him than anyone on here.

Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:39 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

God knows! I got lambasted on here for suggesting they should give one of their young players a chance.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering. If you don't understand that even the 19s fullback Ricky Bailey has a groin tear (though is due back soonish) - and he was shown not to be ready when he made his debut earlier in the year (so by extension means there aren't any kids ready for the fullback role) then why are you even postings?

That's before even getting to the importance of the fullback role to attacking structure. For the same reason you wouldn't just throw a kid into the halfback roles.

I used to think others were unduly harsh on you for posting in here, however recently you've become very laborious.

Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 10:50 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I'm not sure why I'm bothering. If you don't understand that even the 19s fullback Ricky Bailey has a groin tear (though is due back soonish) - and he was shown not to be ready when he made his debut earlier in the year (so by extension means there aren't any kids ready for the fullback role) then why are you even postings?

That's before even getting to the importance of the fullback role to attacking structure. For the same reason you wouldn't just throw a kid into the halfback roles.

I used to think others were unduly harsh on you for posting in here, however recently you've become very laborious.

I didn't know that Bailey was injured, but to say that that he isn't ready after half a game, and played out of position on the wing, IIRC is a bit harsh imo.

Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:02 am  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

I didn't know that Bailey was injured, but to say that that he isn't ready after half a game, and played out of position on the wing, IIRC is a bit harsh imo.

The fact he was substituted shows just how out of his depth he was. He, nor anyone below him are ready, I'm not sure why that's so unreasonable, especially given of the 5 fullbacks we've lost this year, we've produced 3 ourselves, and either Swift or Percival will be fullback today meaning yet another we've produced.

A better question would be (as if the same situation presented itself at wigan or leeds) how come there isn't similar depth at other clubs in the league so we could look domestically rather than having to go international for a short term fix

Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:21 am  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

The fact he was substituted shows just how out of his depth he was. He, nor anyone below him are ready, I'm not sure why that's so unreasonable, especially given of the 5 fullbacks we've lost this year, we've produced 3 ourselves, and either Swift or Percival will be fullback today meaning yet another we've produced.

A better question would be (as if the same situation presented itself at wigan or leeds) how come there isn't similar depth at other clubs in the league so we could look domestically rather than having to go international for a short term fix

That is a very good point, and maybe what "The Eclipse" was alluding to. Leeds have two very good young fullbacks in Ash Golding (out injured) and Nick Rawsthrone who was excellent yesterday v Wigan. Wigan have Hampshire and Tierney, with the option of also using Burgess there or Gabe Fell. Huddersfield have Jarred Simson (who I asked Wigan to have a look at four yeas ago). That's off the top of my head so there are probably a few about, whether the clubs want to release them is another matter.

Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:03 pm  

The Eclipse wrote:

What is happening with English RL ?

We might have a much much bigger population than Australia, but unfortunately the catchment area for picking up young players with potential is very small and restricted to the M62 corridor and Cumbria apart from the odd player here and there who emerge from daarn saarrf, the North East, Wales etc

Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:46 pm  

From the little I have seen if him, he is rapid and has both a short passing game and an all around kicking game, none of which will tear up any trees but handy to have the option. Can't comment on him under a high ball or defensively, but let it be said that the standard of full back in the NRL is ridiculously high. Tomkins was scoring tries for fun here, but he looks middle of the bunch in Aus/NZ. Inglis, Dugan, Slater and Coote are a level above Super League, thus I wouldn't let him not being a starter put us off taking a punt on him. If we have cap room and he's up for a short term deal to get in the shop window, we would be mad not to go for it.

Re: Adam Quinlan : Sun Jun 28, 2015 12:50 pm  

Rogues Gallery wrote:

God knows! I got lambasted on here for suggesting they should give one of their young players a chance.

What's your opinion on Quinlan btw. I know you'll have seen much more of him than anyone on here.

Bailey has been injured as super beetle stated. He's also correct that Bailey isn't ready and especially in whats two big games coming up.

Maybe we will have to play the kids on wing and move swifty to fullnack if it's true about Quinlan

Re: Adam Quinlan : Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:02 pm  

If he's still coming, how come we're not announcing it?

Re: Adam Quinlan : Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:24 pm  

Smurf wrote:

From the little I have seen if him, he is rapid and has both a short passing game and an all around kicking game, none of which will tear up any trees but handy to have the option. Can't comment on him under a high ball or defensively, but let it be said that the standard of full back in the NRL is ridiculously high. Tomkins was scoring tries for fun here, but he looks middle of the bunch in Aus/NZ. Inglis, Dugan, Slater and Coote are a level above Super League, thus I wouldn't let him not being a starter put us off taking a punt on him. If we have cap room and he's up for a short term deal to get in the shop window, we would be mad not to go for it.

Hang on a second. I really don't think the standard of NRL fullbacks is all that high.

Take Greg Inglis for example. Magnificent player going forward. Under a high ball: total liability.

I don't think Matty Smith is up to international standard at half back. But he had Inglis on toast under the high ball. Even Slater is nowhere near the standard that, say, Garry Jack was defensively two decades ago.

Watching the NRL I half wonder whether some unwritten agreement has been struck among coaches not to resort to bombing the fullback because the number of times I've seen supposedly great players completely miss the ball is unreal.

There's a fundamentally different philosophy to the fullback position in Australia. They seem quite willing to accept any old tripe on defence providing he can link into the line well.

Had Inglis and Slater played in SL I'm sure they'd be just as successful. But I don't think either would gain such at fullback. Inglis couldn't get away with some of the blunders he makes over there. No way.