Re: LMS : Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:45 pm  

It clearly was a penalty but if he's kept his arm down to shove him after he dropped the ball it wouldn't have been, And lying on the floor like a dead 'un was stupid.

On the game overall it was strange game and to be caught out by Cas pushing at the scrum three times was naive to say the least. We looked knackered in the 2nd half and for some reason decided to try to defend a slender lead against a very good attacking side.

I pray Swift is OK but he was having a mare.
SMD looked a lot more serious injury.

Can't believe Dawson has a new contract - he was awful as per usual..

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 12:14 am  

Allez wrote:

There's no way our coach will kick his backside however - KC doesn't do discipline on or off the field if you're in the 'in club'.

Allez wrote:

No doubt Cunningham will come out with some stupid clichéd remark to gloss over one of the worst second halves of a game I have ever seen us take part in. Then pick the same team bar the injuries next week. Nice one KC.

Allez wrote:

Ssshh don't tell anyone the facts. KC doesn't want people to realise he played Greenwood on the wrong side despite his previously having been devastating on the other. Also he sneaked LMS back to prop, a position where even the local slug colony can see he is utterly useless in.

But please don't tell anyone that we left Amor and Walmsley on the bench for sustained periods despite them bossing it in the first 40. It's all a secret.

A secret that only our hero supercoach knows about. He's got a statue you know. That makes everything alright.

Did KC ruin your marriage or something? Pretty sure Amor was off for so long because he took a knock, with LMS doing a stint at prop to compensate.

Greenwood still looked good on the right side so don't really see your issue with that beyond the fact that it is a change, and KC implemented it. Given his strength is his line running rather than his passing or offloading, why would this be affected? He's still playing off the same halfbacks. The reason Greenwood moved to the right side (and will stay there) is because Wilkin is our first choice left second rower. As Wilkin is left footed, to use his kicking game needs him to be on the left side so that he isn't kicking with his outside line, which carries more risk of charge downs.

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:27 am  

LMS did exactly the same at the magic weekend when wire were pressing late, bad form dear boy

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:38 am  

Saint #1 wrote:

:lol: Did KC ruin your marriage or something?

No I was never married to him

I just see a very one dimensional team that rarely plays to the standard I'd expect with the players at his disposal. I said when he was appointed that it was a dumb decision and I have seen nothing this year to change my mind. Added to which his appraisal of players/games is borderline comical and he seems more interested in coming out with buzz words than addressing the issues that every man and his dog can see.

Great player. Never a coach.

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 7:58 am  

Allez wrote:

No I was never married to him

I just see a very one dimensional team that rarely plays to the standard I'd expect with the players at his disposal. I said when he was appointed that it was a dumb decision and I have seen nothing this year to change my mind. Added to which his appraisal of players/games is borderline comical and he seems more interested in coming out with buzz words than addressing the issues that every man and his dog can see.

Great player. Never a coach.

The players at his disposal? He's not had a 1st choice backline to choose from all season. He's got quality in forwards so he's keeping it a forward battle...not fantastic to see, but the evidence it's worked is that we're at the top. We finished that game losing another 2 backs to injuries. I think what Cunningham has shown is that he's adaptable. He's still got a lot to learn no doubt but he's St.Helens through & through.

He's doing a top job so far imo

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:04 am  

Allez wrote:

No I was never married to him

I just see a very one dimensional team that rarely plays to the standard I'd expect with the players at his disposal. I said when he was appointed that it was a dumb decision and I have seen nothing this year to change my mind. Added to which his appraisal of players/games is borderline comical and he seems more interested in coming out with buzz words than addressing the issues that every man and his dog can see.

Great player. Never a coach.

He,s a rookie coach given the job 1 year earlier than planned, he,s took us top of the league with most of our pivotal creative players injured and sat in the stands. To be a multi dimensional team you need a match plan with most of your influential players available.........we could probably say we have not had that at all this season.
Luckily, superleague standard is very poor these days so 1 or 2 losses isn,t a disaster this season as there are no consistent stand out teams.

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:24 am  

Judder Man wrote:

He,s a rookie coach given the job 1 year earlier than planned, he,s took us top of the league with most of our pivotal creative players injured and sat in the stands. To be a multi dimensional team you need a match plan with most of your influential players available.........we could probably say we have not had that at all this season.
Luckily, superleague standard is very poor these days so 1 or 2 losses isn,t a disaster this season as there are no consistent stand out teams.

1 - Why do St Helens RFC have a rookie coach?

2 - It's a poor poor competition. Being top means you're the least crap, not the best.

3 - When we have been poor when has he given good reasons instead of Press conference clichés?

4 - What's changed the following week?

5 - How's our discipline this season?

6 - Why do players who continually underperform or commit Hari Kari (à la LMS) keep getting picked?

Never ever ever a coach fit for St Helens. I love the guy and watched him all the way through his playing career and, hats off, he was a great player. That doesn't make him a great coach and people forget that this is effectively his SECOND stint in charge; good coaches improve teams quickly and sustainably and if last night wasn't a good example of what we SHOULD have then nothing else is.

I see in the paper this morning he is saying that we got what we deserved - fair enough. He then goes on to say that, paraphrased, the players weren't up for it. Let's just re-read that:

The. Players. Weren't. Up. For. It.

That's HIS JOB - it's not acceptable for players not to be up for it. Never. Not acceptable. No excuses. Ever. That's HIS JOB to make sure they are, at least, UP FOR IT, every week.

The only reason we are where we are is because the comp is terrible. Nothing else.

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:46 am  

Allez wrote:

1 - Why do St Helens RFC have a rookie coach?

2 - It's a poor poor competition. Being top means you're the least crap, not the best.

3 - When we have been poor when has he given good reasons instead of Press conference clichés?

4 - What's changed the following week?

5 - How's our discipline this season?

6 - Why do players who continually underperform or commit Hari Kari (à la LMS) keep getting picked?

Never ever ever a coach fit for St Helens. I love the guy and watched him all the way through his playing career and, hats off, he was a great player. That doesn't make him a great coach and people forget that this is effectively his SECOND stint in charge; good coaches improve teams quickly and sustainably and if last night wasn't a good example of what we SHOULD have then nothing else is.

I see in the paper this morning he is saying that we got what we deserved - fair enough. He then goes on to say that, paraphrased, the players weren't up for it. Let's just re-read that:

The. Players. Weren't. Up. For. It.

That's HIS JOB - it's not acceptable for players not to be up for it. Never. Not acceptable. No excuses. Ever. That's HIS JOB to make sure they are, at least, UP FOR IT, every week.

The only reason we are where we are is because the comp is terrible. Nothing else.

OK, if we remove the Rookie bit, can you name a current coach in super league who is significantly better than KC. I would,t say good coaches improve teams quickly, an experienced one with player stability would be more apt. I think most fans on here would agree he is doing a reasonable job under the circumstances and the first objective of a top 4 place is almost complete.
Probably next season is the best to judge KC when we get a repetitive of errors, poor tactics etc. Its been another difficult dissruptive season so far, so personally I would give him some slack, its very unlikely that you can become a good or great coach in 20 games.

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:10 am  

Judder Man wrote:

OK, if we remove the Rookie bit, can you name a current coach in super league who is significantly better than KC. I would,t say good coaches improve teams quickly, an experienced one with player stability would be more apt.

A guy last night who lost half his team pre-season and has transformed them from also rans into a very effective unit. There's one. That's the standard we should be aiming for in a coach (and I am not suggesting we should have him, simply we deserve someone of that calibre).

Re: LMS : Fri Jun 19, 2015 9:15 am  

Allez wrote:

1 - Why do St Helens RFC have a rookie coach?

2 - It's a poor poor competition. Being top means you're the least crap, not the best.

3 - When we have been poor when has he given good reasons instead of Press conference clichés?

4 - What's changed the following week?

5 - How's our discipline this season?

6 - Why do players who continually underperform or commit Hari Kari (à la LMS) keep getting picked?

Never ever ever a coach fit for St Helens. I love the guy and watched him all the way through his playing career and, hats off, he was a great player. That doesn't make him a great coach and people forget that this is effectively his SECOND stint in charge; good coaches improve teams quickly and sustainably and if last night wasn't a good example of what we SHOULD have then nothing else is.

I see in the paper this morning he is saying that we got what we deserved - fair enough. He then goes on to say that, paraphrased, the players weren't up for it. Let's just re-read that:

The. Players. Weren't. Up. For. It.

That's HIS JOB - it's not acceptable for players not to be up for it. Never. Not acceptable. No excuses. Ever. That's HIS JOB to make sure they are, at least, UP FOR IT, every week.

The only reason we are where we are is because the comp is terrible. Nothing else.

Every great coach was a rookie once. Cunningham has been under the wing of a few different coaches. He's been groomed for the job for years. He knows the club from top to bottom, he's not just some Aussie who thinks a game against Wigan is just another 2 points. He knows what it means to the fans.

He's got us sat on top of the league (until Leeds play) whilst missing several key players throughout the season. They're playing with heart and character, and you single out LMS, well he's been playing brilliantly imo this season.

And now we're getting the league's so poor, no wonder we're top blah blah blah. Well he's damned either way isn't he? If he wins the league, well it's because it's a crap league but if he doesn't win it then he's a crap coach.

You're being incredibly negative, mate. You simply don't like Cunningham and nothing will shift your opinion of him. I can't really have a go because if I'm honest, I was exactly the same about Brown.