Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:35 pm  

St pete wrote:

Seems the goons even think your total muppet.

Should I laugh or should I cry?

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:36 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Nope, I'd say Mose did ok.

What's instructive is the fact that you immediately pointed toward Mose as the culprit when it is patently obvious there were many worse performers. That's called - prejudice.

And you can keep pretending I said this is the "best pack in the world" as long as you like. It still doesn't make it true.

The op asked a question and I answered. Other posters mention Mose and other names but you didn't jump on them? No

The is another thread that at moment with other posters suggesting Mose doesn't pull his weight. Did you jump on them ? No

Your a muppet mate.

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:36 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

Should I laugh or should I cry?

Do what you like, your still a muppet

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:46 pm  

St pete wrote:

The op asked a question and I answered. Other posters mention Mose and other names but you didn't jump on them? No

The is another thread that at moment with other posters suggesting Mose doesn't pull his weight. Did you jump on them ? No

People are easily led. It only takes one person with a grudge to paint a target on some player's back and you can guarantee half of St. Helens will come running with spears and axes. And you are such a person.

I called you out last season for the same thing - despite the fact that Mose had effectively carried the heavy work in the pack for a third of the season (when he was gasping away dragging most of his weight and totally unfit).

Mercifully you were forced to shut up when Saints won the GF. But come the first sign of trouble and you are back to your old hobby horse with the tedious predictability of a Swiss clock.

Your a muppet mate.

And you are - wrong.

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 2:56 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

People are easily led. It only takes one person with a grudge to paint a target on some player's back and you can guarantee half of St. Helens will come running with spears and axes. And you are such a person.

I called you out last season for the same thing - despite the fact that Mose had effectively carried the heavy work in the pack for a third of the season (when he was gasping away dragging most of his weight and totally unfit).

Mercifully you were forced to shut up when Saints won the GF. But come the first sign of trouble and you are back to your old hobby horse with the tedious predictability of a Swiss clock.

And you are - wrong.

Forced to shut up in the grand final. He lasted 8 mins and had to be taken off for oxygen. He must hold the record for being subbed after 8 mins

I'm a team player and beleive in all pulling together. I can't stand to see Amor getting smashed every set while he stands with hands on his hips.

Your right, he did come back to training unfit and I can tell you saints wasn't happy and he was told about the weight he was carrying.

I've heard every excuse undsr the sun with Mose. He's not fit from post season surgery ( that was first 10 weeks of the season). He been told by coaching staff not to take the ball in our 20m zone ( utter madness). The coaches don't play him long enough (can he wear a oxygen pack on the field ?).

It's not because we lost I said him, Ive posted early in the season when we hadn't lost that I wouldn't pick him as he's giving us nothing.

If you put swifty or Tommys heart and atitude in Mose body we would have a hell of a player.

When you've played the game, you'd know that you can't carry players every week. That's my problem with him.

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:18 pm  

St pete wrote:

Forced to shut up in the grand final. He lasted 8 mins and had to be taken off for oxygen. He must hold the record for being subbed after 8 mins

I'm a team player and beleive in all pulling together. I can't stand to see Amor getting smashed every set while he stands with hands on his hips.

Your right, he did come back to training unfit and I can tell you saints wasn't happy and he was told about the weight he was carrying.

No-one was happy with Mose's physical condition when he arrived. However, there were at least some mitigating factors.

It is true to say his first five matches were not exceptional. But considering his weight we really couldn't expect much.

Given that we lost Amor & Walmsley relatively early Mose really had no place to hide. And he didn't. He got his weight under control. His performances steadily improved (by the end of the season his physique was unrecognisable). From one-third of the season in he was doing precisely the job Brown brought him in to do - short stints as an impact forward. He WAS NOT bought to do thirty five minute stretches. He WAS bought to break up the opposition defence in focused bursts. That said, on several occasions Mose DID play extended stretches. And he didn't do badly at all. Indeed, for at least ten matches Mose really was about the only bulky prop we could muster.

You can bash Mose all you like for not being YOUR TYPE of forward. The point is - he WAS NEVER BOUGHT TO BE SUCH.

And if you think you are having fun with me now - you'd better up your typing speed next season hacking out all those "BELIEVE ME! We're much better off without Mose" retorts.

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 3:53 pm  

Not overly interested in a slanging match on here, but Mose is a joke. The usual 7-8 min spells for a full time professional are an embarrassment & often even these spells arent that effective. IMO he puts far too much pressure on the shoulders of Amor & AW. I commented myself at the Hull game he was stood in the centres during his very brief second spell which is why he carries the ball so infrequently. I wouldn't shed any tears if he was suitably replaced tomorrow - the fact is when were in an arm wrestle & it's back against the wall he goes missing more often than not, and despite being on his knees AW was brought back on after 7 mins yesterday when the game was in the balance - Speaks volumes that.
People talk about impact, 6-7 mins in 40 minutes a half with us having possibly 3-4 sets of six during that time, give me a break. I for one could live without those 4 carries a game for another solid tough front rower.

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:00 pm  

Fortunately there exists a healthy group of fans whose knees don't hyperextend at the slightltest kiss of a pollen grain.

I can't predict Mose's future - but I do know he isn't responsible for all but two forwards' uncharacteristically poor performance yesterday.

These lads are professionals, after all.

However, we should probably cut ALL OF THEM some slack after a hard Easter.

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:36 pm  

I,ve said many times last season and this season that this club does not know how to use Mose correctly.
He is an IMPACT prop and should be used as such, we seem to be giving him very poor quality ball with very little depth, we use him as a decoy runner, on many occasions we switch play away from him.
If you look at some of the old NRL and International footage he is used differently.

One of the biggest problems is the absence of all of our creative players this means all our set plays have dried up and we are struggling with second phase, this has negated any Mose effect on his short stints on the pitch. He,s too lazy to be a hard working prop, maybe KC has asked him to more hard yards.....I don,t know.

Also Amor is a worry at the moment, he is in very poor form, hard working yes but he is easily dominated and his offloads have suffered, he misses quite a lot tackles now, it makes you wonder if he is playing with an injury.

Re: Who was KC talking about? : Tue Apr 07, 2015 5:54 pm  

Sorry Mugwamp but I agree with St Pete on Mose. I think he's a potential game changer when he wants to be, but those moments are few and far between. Fact is, he's lazy and doesn't do enough for his team. I don't care about stats, I know what I can see most games...a player who stands in the background whilst others try and drive the ball up out of their twenty. A player who always seems to be 3rd in the tackle when the job is done.

My opinion has nothing to do with us being on a 3 match losing run. I know that run is down to injuries to key playmakers.

Richards had a howler against Wigan, but he's got heart and the crowd can see it. Thompson & Amor are others I also refuse to criticise because they've also clearly got heart. Mose's on holiday which is a shame because he's brilliant when he wants to be.