Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:41 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

The problem here is people don't understand that there is a difference between a leader and a playmaker.

Burns is a halfback and thus no one will have any issues with him CALLING PLAYS.

But this does not mean he has the right to dress down senior Saints players if they make a mistake. Just as James Graham didn't so much as squeak at any of his teammates until he'd EARNED their respect on the field.

Nonsense. As an experienced player in a key position he has every right to give players a rollocking if needs be. There's seemingly only you that doesn't understand this.

If we signed Paul Gallen next week would he not be able to shout at young Luke Thompson or Joe Greenwood until he had "earned" their respect? Rubbish.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:29 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

The problem here is people don't understand that there is a difference between a leader and a playmaker.

Burns is a halfback and thus no one will have any issues with him CALLING PLAYS.

But this does not mean he has the right to dress down senior Saints players if they make a mistake. Just as James Graham didn't so much as squeak at any of his teammates until he'd EARNED their respect on the field.

How do you know?

How do you know KC hasn't said to him 'you're the guy who controls the plays so you call the shots and if it doesn't go well you do what you gotta do. If that takes bawling someone out then do it'.

How do you know that he hasn't EARNED their respect on the field? You are making a cosmos sized assumption that he hasn't purely on the basis of playing 2 meaningful games but you don't actually know either way do you?

You'd perhaps do well to earn some respect yourself rather than babbling your sanctimonious, better than thou, know it all preachings when you come on here.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:40 pm  

The Yellow Giraffe wrote:

Nonsense. As an experienced player in a key position he has every right to give players a rollocking if needs be. There's seemingly only you that doesn't understand this.

If you think - say - a British player with TWO GAMES under his belt for his new club in the NRL will be able to get away with railroading experienced players who might have 5 or 10 hard years under the hood you haven't watched enough NRL.

We're not in the amateur era any more. This is a highly competitive game with not just positions but entire careers at stake.

But we will see. By your rationale guys like Roby and Wilkin will have no problem whatsoever with Travis Burns if he gets in their faces following a mistake this game or next.

But we know he won't. Because Burns is enough of a professional to know new players are under serious scrutiny from their first game.

And no - I wouldn't expect any kid who has spent four or five years in the academy to meekly take stick from Paul Gallen with two games under his belt (not that I'd expect Gallen to give it). The minute you arrive at a new club you are back to zero in terms of achievement. Certainly his teammates aren't likely to give him anything for nothing. Indeed, he could just as easily be the next Bradley Clyde whose stellar reputation amounted to precisely ZERO at Leeds.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:49 pm  

It wasn't any old dropped ball, it was right at the beginningof the set and in our half, it was a very simple mistake.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:51 pm  

Allez wrote:

How do you know?

Because it is the very nature of competition.

You'd perhaps do well to earn some respect yourself rather than babbling your sanctimonious, better than thou, know it all preachings when you come on here.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:58 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

It wasn't any old dropped ball, it was right at the beginningof the set and in our half, it was a very simple mistake.

I don't have a problem with Burns' decision. He was right to make the call. What I'm saying is this DOES NOT mean the experienced lads will kindly take to the Alex Ferguson treatment until he does what James Graham did at the Bulldogs - kerb his natural explosive instincts and keep his head down until his teammates recognise that he's a) not here to bleed money from the club b) not a crock c) not an average player keeping a friend out of the six position etc.

I really don't see why this is so difficult for people to accept.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:01 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

The minute you arrive at a new club you are back to zero in terms of achievement.

This is no more true in RL than any walk of life. Achievements DO follow you around and DO command respect.

You're basically saying that it's impossible for a club to buy a leader because he automatically has zero credibility once he moves club? That simply isn't true.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:07 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

This is no more true in RL than any walk of life. Achievements DO follow you around and DO command respect.

You're basically saying that it's impossible for a club to buy a leader because he automatically has zero credibility once he moves club? That simply isn't true.

That stuff is for the amateur days. How many "big reputation" players bombed without trace in SL?

If more players had ridden, say, Michael O'Connor from the outset instead of thinking he would win the game every time he touched the ball perhaps he might have PLAYED LIKE Michael O'Connor.

Reputation never made a tackle. Reputation never scored a try.

Professional play is about the HERE and the NOW. Not the past.

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:10 pm  

Mugwump wrote:

That stuff is for the amateur days. How many "big reputation" players bombed without trace in SL?

If more players had ridden, say, Michael O'Connor from the outset instead of thinking he would win the game every time he touched the ball perhaps he might have PLAYED LIKE Michael O'Connor.

Reputation never made a tackle. Reputation never scored a try.

Professional play is about the HERE and the NOW. Not the past.

If I move companies, can I not go in as a manager? I haven't earnt my way up the corporate chain at that company, so haven't won the respect of my new colleagues?

It might make my career as a consultant awkward ...

Re: Travis Burns : Mon Feb 16, 2015 4:17 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

If I move companies, can I not go in as a manager? I haven't earnt my way up the corporate chain at that company, so haven't won the respect of my new colleagues?

LOL. Don't you think this question is better asked on CONSULTANTFANS.COM?