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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:28 am  
I dont take anything he says seriously, but that does not mean I disklike him.

He is an excellent PR man. Nearly every player in the RLWC that was any good was linked to Salford. (there was no chance that they would sign, but getting the links increased the hype and increased the crowds for Salfords opener).

He is succcessful, that can't be denied, but he is all about Salford (rightly so as their owner).

But he over estimates the revenue streams available. He could bring an NRL all star team to the UK and it does not mean RL will grow. Just that one team in isolation. We need to grow the game and for me this new system allows that. An ambitious chairman can drag his team from bottom to top in a reletively short period. For me this is an open door for expansion, but we need to be like Catalan and target areas with an untapped demand.

Personally I hope a 2nd French team comes through and that the new system encourages more FT teams in the Championship. WOuld it not be great to have 12 - 18 teams pushing for the SL.

I see this system as entirely flexible, but the clubs have to make use of it.
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 8:56 am  
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I dont take anything he says seriously, but that does not mean I disklike him.

He is an excellent PR man. Nearly every player in the RLWC that was any good was linked to Salford. (there was no chance that they would sign, but getting the links increased the hype and increased the crowds for Salfords opener).

He is succcessful, that can't be denied, but he is all about Salford (rightly so as their owner).

But he over estimates the revenue streams available. He could bring an NRL all star team to the UK and it does not mean RL will grow. Just that one team in isolation. We need to grow the game and for me this new system allows that. An ambitious chairman can drag his team from bottom to top in a reletively short period. For me this is an open door for expansion, but we need to be like Catalan and target areas with an untapped demand.

Personally I hope a 2nd French team comes through and that the new system encourages more FT teams in the Championship. WOuld it not be great to have 12 - 18 teams pushing for the SL.

I see this system as entirely flexible, but the clubs have to make use of it.


For all the crap he spouts what has he achieved?

The crowds are terrible. They massively under achieved last year. He's buying players for their name and not if they fit into the team. His squad last year was massively out balanced. In fact the PR was of a team that's a complete and utter shambles.

However, I admire him for putting the money into the club that really don't deserve it as the fan base inst the best. He's got to be applauded for that. I didn't agree with sacking noble but Imo he's got a good young coach that given time allowed to make his own decisions will make salford a cup winning side in the next 3 years.

I just think he's tried to do it to fast and throw a bunch of players together and 9 times out of 10 doesn't work. I think he needs some rugby league men around him to advise him.

Also, I think the Reds will beat us Thursday.
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:16 am  
It's interesting reading the wide consensus of views from other fans with regards to MK. He's certainly marmite.

As a Salford fan of many years, most of which have been spent in constant decline, MK has literally saved the Club from disappearing. So he'll always be held in high regard. I don't always agree with him or some of his ideas and methods, but I do admire the fact that he's not frightened of change. The thing that bothers me about other fans who have a downer on him, which is perfectly fine as we're all entitled to our opinion, is that it's more based on what they imagine rather than the truth.

He works very hard at building and regaining what most Clubs already have in place and don't have to think about. Things like local community engagement, links with amateur sides, and starting from scratch to try and inject the Club into the consciousness of not only a despondent community and fanbase that has had the Club removed from its heart. But also trying to form a wider community encompassed around a completely new area. Not an easy task to sell a Club to the public that has declined over thirty years. He has totally changed the working practices of the Club behind the scenes and brought in people from outside of RL to run vital areas. He's thrown money at recruitment on the field because we basically had a reserve Championship squad two seasons ago. He's scouted far and wide for as many of the best amateur players to be signed-up to the Academy to start bringing talent through over the next few years. He wants to build purpose-built housing and facilities for the academy players. He's even building Swinton Lions a new ground because he sees the benefit of RL back in its own communities. He's brought in serious amounts of sponsorship and tempted UnderArmor into the RL world with a really large sponsorship deal. He bought a top race horse and races it on behalf of the Steve Prescott foundation with all the winnings going to that charity.

All I can say is that he has transformed the Club beyond recognition, and mainly in ways that opposition fans don't see. There's a big difference between MK the pantomime villain and the real one. He's a character, self-made, down to earth. He can be annoying, silly, and confrontational. Is he bad for the game? I don't think so. But I do have a vested interest in him doing what he's promised.

The negativity is spawned from dislike, for whatever reason. Fine. But to suggest he's a fool bumbling from one thing to another is wide of the mark.
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:28 am  
What he does for Salford is fine with me and I think its great he saved the club but this is not what he is getting recognition for in the national press.

Its the ludicrous ideas that make him look stupid. He really needs a proper RL man who has the balls to say to him that his ideas are never going to take off, come up with a proper plan for a decent idea like the 9's tournament instead of tweeting about it.

You mention Swinton Lions but that has gone stale, he spent weeks saying that an announcement was imminent then nothing, he was buying Oldham Athletic, an NRL team, now supposedly moving an NRL team none of which will come to fruition, all false promises.

I dont hate the guy as I dont know him but just wish he would seek proper advice before spouting off on Twitter of all places.
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:39 am  
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He's scouted far and wide for as many of the best amateur players to be signed-up to the Academy to start bringing talent through over the next few years. He wants to build purpose-built housing and facilities for the academy players. He's even building Swinton Lions a new ground because he sees the benefit of RL back in its own communities. He's brought in serious amounts of sponsorship and tempted UnderArmor into the RL world with a really large sponsorship deal. He bought a top race horse and races it on behalf of the Steve Prescott foundation with all the winnings going to that charity.
You see, people are quick to say thing like "He's all talk" and "He'll be off as soon as he's bored." but all the above, if true, show that he's dedicated to the longevity of the sport in the area.

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He's even building Swinton Lions a new ground because he sees the benefit of RL back in its own communities.
If this bit is true, then he's going way beyond the line of duty as a SL chairman. Well done MarwanK.
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:04 pm  
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You could spend 4 million a year on wages at Salford but you still wont get capacity crowds. Its a white elephant of a stadium. Do any club stadiums that you cant realistically walk to do well? Wembley doesnt really count either!!


That isn't exactly Marwan's fault is it. I agree the stadium was poorly thought out by Peel Holdings and Salford City Council, but he is doing a fine job of making a go of it.

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Do you think the Aussies would want to come over here for one game each? The disruption and price would be massive.


South Sydney, St George and the Roosters don't seem to mind.
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 12:41 pm  
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That isn't exactly Marwan's fault is it. I agree the stadium was poorly thought out by Peel Holdings and Salford City Council, but he is doing a fine job of making a go of it.

South Sydney, St George and the Roosters don't seem to mind.



That's because we are paying them about £170k to come and play. Will the Dr pay each team £170k to play his team ?
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 1:15 pm  
This is what I mean.

There is the PR side which is get anything in the press, no matter whether there is a plan behind it.

Then there is the actual side, which is more business savey.

He has to come out and say we will finish top 4 in 2014 and buy SBW and Sam Tomkins etc. Why? Because he has to raise the profile of the club to actually get his hands on actual players like locke etc.

I am trying to be respectful to Salford, but basically they were no were near the top 8 and so not an attractive proposition for ambitious players. Yet if those players see talk of big names going, there can be a buzz created that will make players move.

It's a bit of the old look at this hand, whilst in my other hand something different is going on.
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Re: Koukash : Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:47 pm  
come on some people are being too nice ....he's full of it....

delivered not a one of his outlandish self serving publicity seeking statements.....

here's yesterdays latest feckwittery.......
bear in mind his previous was he wanted ownership of an NRL club by the start of this season... :CRAZY:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/billionaire-marwan-koukash-eyes-titans-nrl-club-making-a-move-north/story-fnp0lyn6-1227215162404?nk=fbb580b124e440b0841eb29938e463e5
come on some people are being too nice ....he's full of it....

delivered not a one of his outlandish self serving publicity seeking statements.....

here's yesterdays latest feckwittery.......
bear in mind his previous was he wanted ownership of an NRL club by the start of this season... :CRAZY:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/billionaire-marwan-koukash-eyes-titans-nrl-club-making-a-move-north/story-fnp0lyn6-1227215162404?nk=fbb580b124e440b0841eb29938e463e5
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Re: Koukash : Thu Feb 12, 2015 8:26 am  
the flying biscuit wrote:
come on some people are being too nice ....he's full of it....

delivered not a one of his outlandish self serving publicity seeking statements.....

here's yesterdays latest feckwittery.......
bear in mind his previous was he wanted ownership of an NRL club by the start of this season... :CRAZY:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/billionaire-marwan-koukash-eyes-titans-nrl-club-making-a-move-north/story-fnp0lyn6-1227215162404?nk=fbb580b124e440b0841eb29938e463e5



Why doesn't he move salford to leeds then? The guy is a complete idiot with no understanding of sport and history.
the flying biscuit wrote:
come on some people are being too nice ....he's full of it....

delivered not a one of his outlandish self serving publicity seeking statements.....

here's yesterdays latest feckwittery.......
bear in mind his previous was he wanted ownership of an NRL club by the start of this season... :CRAZY:

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/billionaire-marwan-koukash-eyes-titans-nrl-club-making-a-move-north/story-fnp0lyn6-1227215162404?nk=fbb580b124e440b0841eb29938e463e5



Why doesn't he move salford to leeds then? The guy is a complete idiot with no understanding of sport and history.
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