Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:56 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Crosby is vastly under-rated IMO and as already pointed out not a single Wigan fan would agree with Dudson being better then him. I expect big things from Crosby this year who really looks to be developing year on year.

Not a great deal in the packs between both clubs really. I certainly wouldn't swap and I'd take our back row options all day long but the props are pretty even and if Roby starts this year as he finishes last he'll make a real difference to your side.

Some good battles ahead this year I reckon.

Props pretty even. You've got to laugh.

Crosby, who managed 20 odd metres in the biggest game of the season and spent half the time on his booty after Masoe had nailed him, Flower who so enraged at Masoe's early aggression committed an offence that should have seen him locked up and Clubb, who managed 60 odd metres (half that of Thompson and Richards). Indeed, Wigan's props are a scary proposition

Placing a lot of hope in a Huddersfield bencher and an import from Wakefield are Wigan. Mossop has never been up to anything anyway, he wouldn't make the Saints 17.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:14 pm  

SLS wrote:

Props pretty even. You've got to laugh.

Crosby, who managed 20 odd metres in the biggest game of the season and spent half the time on his booty after Masoe had nailed him, Flower who so enraged at Masoe's early aggression committed an offence that should have seen him locked up and Clubb, who managed 60 odd metres (half that of Thompson and Richards). Indeed, Wigan's props are a scary proposition

Placing a lot of hope in a Huddersfield bencher and an import from Wakefield are Wigan. Mossop has never been up to anything anyway, he wouldn't make the Saints 17.

Steady on, pal. There's nothing like setting yourself up for a fall.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:21 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

Steady on, pal. There's nothing like setting yourself up for a fall.

Honestly don't care. Sometimes it's necessary to provide a balance to the amount of hyperbole that comes out of Wiganer's mouths. They're in a world of their own with their views most of the time.

Every Wiganer is awesome. Everyone else is poop. That pretty much sums them up.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:21 pm  

NickyKiss wrote:

Crosby is vastly under-rated IMO and as already pointed out not a single Wigan fan would agree with Dudson being better then him. I expect big things from Crosby this year who really looks to be developing year on year.

Not a great deal in the packs between both clubs really. I certainly wouldn't swap and I'd take our back row options all day long but the props are pretty even and if Roby starts this year as he finishes last he'll make a real difference to your side.

Some good battles ahead this year I reckon.

I've always seen Crosby as a bigger version of Clough. It's no slight but just nothing to put the fear of God in me; my impression may be coloured as my outstanding memory of him is Masoe running over the top of him (the one and only time it happened!)

I think our back row options are underrated - admittedly Wilkin is marmite amongst Saints fans let alone anyone else, but LMS is judged on his form in the front row, despite putting some fantastic performances in the back row which can hopefully be more consistent now he's moved "permanently", Vea comes with virtually no rep but should fill Manus hole very well, and Thompson could be one of the best in the country if he continues his development of last season. were lacking the depth of last season, but we should be just as good as the pack that got us through the playoffs, which is a scary thought!

I think Wigan and Saints are going to be the team to beat next year, and there's not a lot to choose between the two imo

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:30 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I've always seen Crosby as a bigger version of Clough. It's no slight but just nothing to put the fear of God in me; my impression may be coloured as my outstanding memory of him is Masoe running over the top of him (the one and only time it happened!)

I think our back row options are underrated - admittedly Wilkin is marmite amongst Saints fans let alone anyone else, but LMS is judged on his form in the front row, despite putting some fantastic performances in the back row which can hopefully be more consistent now he's moved "permanently", Vea comes with virtually no rep but should fill Manus hole very well, and Thompson could be one of the best in the country if he continues his development of last season. were lacking the depth of last season, but we should be just as good as the pack that got us through the playoffs, which is a scary thought!

I think Wigan and Saints are going to be the team to beat next year, and there's not a lot to choose between the two imo

Go and watch the game at the Dave Whelan stadium between us earlier in the season. Crosby spent more time on his booty than he did stood up trying to tackle Masoe. Overrated lard and if he played for us, they wouldn't rate in the slightest. Since he plays for them, he's obviously AWESOME.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:42 pm  

SLS wrote:

Honestly don't care. Sometimes it's necessary to provide a balance to the amount of hyperbole that comes out of Wiganer's mouths. They're in a world of their own with their views most of the time.

Every Wiganer is awesome. Everyone else is poop. That pretty much sums them up.

If you read the posts on this thread from those of us who support Wigan I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I have been respectful of Saints as have the others and absolutely no-one is writing them off.

Strangely, if you care to look back at the posts on here after the Easter derby I was one who said that Saints shouldn't be written off just as most of their own fans, maybe even yourself, were doing.

I understand that most teams have their share of swivel eyed loons, but I generally find on here that debate is considered and respectful.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:43 pm  

I'm looking forward to seeing how Wilkin gets on this season, given that he should be spending all of his game time in the back row (assuming he isn't displaced by LMS, Thompson and Vea, that is). I know that not everyone agrees with me, but I think we've forgotten how effective he can be in the second row.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:04 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

If you read the posts on this thread from those of us who support Wigan I don't know how you come to that conclusion. I have been respectful of Saints as have the others and absolutely no-one is writing them off.

Strangely, if you care to look back at the posts on here after the Easter derby I was one who said that Saints shouldn't be written off just as most of their own fans, maybe even yourself, were doing.

I understand that most teams have their share of swivel eyed loons, but I generally find on here that debate is considered and respectful.

You're all respectful of Saints and aren't writing us off ?

Well, thanks for your humility. It's not like St Helens are the second most successful RL club in British history and the current champions and league leaders within the competition now, is it ? I offer my eternal thanks and appreciation that you're so respectful of such a club and are still giving us a chance this season.

Genuine question, have you ever heard yourselves or read back some of the crap you lot post ? You're all loving insane.

Props are 'pretty even' but Wigan are comfortably better in the back row and well ahead in the backs although you're humble enough to acknowledge that Saints' halves look good 'on paper'. Crackpots, the lot of you. It's not like Saints finished above you, won two of the three meetings last year and were crowned champions despite missing our entire playmaking contingent as well as our best prop for most of the season.

Here's the truth.

Bowen is woeful and wouldn't get in the Saints side either over Lomax or Wellens (even at his age). Your wingers are superb. Gelling is crap. Sarginson full of potential but lots to learn. Percival is the best centre on either team. Your halves aren't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as St Helens'. Your props have it all to prove. You rely astronomically on McIlorum. Your back row is good. Farrell top class and O'Loughlin the best player in the comp. Joel Tomkins has shown NOTHING to put him on the pedestal you lot do.

That's about it. You'll be up there again and it'll be a real tussle between us as both sides are very evenly matched. Wigan will have to change their game for me this year to beat Saints. Can't keep playing on the edges and expect to beat Saints. At some point you'll have to take us on up front.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:45 pm  

SLS wrote:

You're all respectful of Saints and aren't writing us off ?

Well, thanks for your humility. It's not like St Helens are the second most successful RL club in British history and the current champions and league leaders within the competition now, is it ? I offer my eternal thanks and appreciation that you're so respectful of such a club and are still giving us a chance this season.
Genuine question, have you ever heard yourselves or read back some of the crap you lot post ? You're all loving insane.


Props are 'pretty even' but Wigan are comfortably better in the back row and well ahead in the backs although you're humble enough to acknowledge that Saints' halves look good 'on paper'. Crackpots, the lot of you. It's not like Saints finished above you, won two of the three meetings last year and were crowned champions despite missing our entire playmaking contingent as well as our best prop for most of the season.

Here's the truth.

Bowen is woeful and wouldn't get in the Saints side either over Lomax or Wellens (even at his age). Your wingers are superb. Gelling is crap. Sarginson full of potential but lots to learn. Percival is the best centre on either team. Your halves aren't fit to be mentioned in the same breath as St Helens'. Your props have it all to prove. You rely astronomically on McIlorum. Your back row is good. Farrell top class and O'Loughlin the best player in the comp. Joel Tomkins has shown NOTHING to put him on the pedestal you lot do.

That's about it. You'll be up there again and it'll be a real tussle between us as both sides are very evenly matched. Wigan will have to change their game for me this year to beat Saints. Can't keep playing on the edges and expect to beat Saints. At some point you'll have to take us on up front.

Fair enough mate. You are entitled to your opinions and you have plenty of them.

One or two hostages to fortune in that lot. You do seem to see things in black and white. "Gelling is crap" , "Bowen is woeful" , "Tomkins has shown nothing" etc etc. Still - as Offside Monkey warned you - you do seem to be setting yourself up for a fall.

Re: New Year Sales at Wigan : Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:55 pm  

Aboveusonlypie wrote:

Fair enough mate. You are entitled to your opinions and you have plenty of them.

One or two hostages to fortune in that lot. You do seem to see things in black and white. "Gelling is crap" , "Bowen is woeful" , "Tomkins has shown nothing" etc etc. Still - as Offside Monkey warned you - you do seem to be setting yourself up for a fall.

Add to that that our two halfbacks are pedestrian!! Williams is quicker than most SL halfbacks and certainly than Walsh or Burns. Add to that we have the fastest halfback in Superleague just waiting his chance (which he will get this season). Hampshire is the fastest player at Wigan. At 17 he finished 5th in the Super League fastest man comp. Pace is not a problem at Wigan.

I remember him telling us that we would win nothing with Smith and Green at half back.

IMO the best half backs this season are at Catalan, and if they can sort their away form out they will be pushing hard for a top four spot.