Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 12:00 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Is it not possible that, knowing we only had 1 sub, he levelled out his game to make sure he could not disadvantage his team by taking up the bench spot for long periods of time? From the report I was told, he was awesome in the first 15 during his first stint, and akin to his Huddersfield performance, and low key for the rest of the game. Sounds like someone whose been given the task of lasting the game to me...

Instead of having the Mose debate (again) can I ask to those who were at the game - do walkers stats look about right? How long was he on the pitch for??

Walker barely played the game. He came on took the knock and then went off again. Cant have been on the pitch for more than 10 minutes.

Masoe did very little in his first stint, played first 15 minutes. He drove the ball in strong, but didn't do it often enough.
When a prop doesn't take the ball in once during a set of six, I think there are issues.

He showed last week and the Leeds game that he is capable of 15-16 hit ups a game. To do only 8 this week was not good enough.
Infact its only one better than his first and third games this season

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 12:06 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

Walker barely played the game. He came on took the knock and then went off again. Cant have been on the pitch for more than 10 minutes.

Masoe did very little in his first stint, played first 15 minutes. He drove the ball in strong, but didn't do it often enough.
When a prop doesn't take the ball in once during a set of six, I think there are issues.

He showed last week and the Leeds game that he is capable of 15-16 hit ups a game. To do only 8 this week was not good enough.
Infact its only one better than his first and third games this season

Fair enough about walker, I was shocked when I saw the stats.

I can only go off the report I was given. But everything about the stats shows survival and attrition - as a club now we have a week off, and everyone will be better for it. As I was told, no one was great this week, but it's not a game to call anyone out from.

And we can go entire sets without a forward touching the ball, let alone masoe not. Welcome to the world of browns tactics (that's my pet peeve!)

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 12:11 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I can only go off the report I was given. But everything about the stats shows survival and attrition - as a club now we have a week off, and everyone will be better for it. As I was told, no one was great this week, but it's not a game to call anyone out from.

And we can go entire sets without a forward touching the ball, let alone masoe not. Welcome to the world of browns tactics (that's my pet peeve!)

Well said! (And your first paragraph was spot on)

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 2:29 pm  

St. Etrigan wrote:

Last night Saints used Mose in a completely different way than they did the week before. He was used more as a foil than a ball carrier.
He made himself available far more without ever getting the ball.

Not too sure why we would change his use after such a successful game against Huddersfield - but that was the reason for his completely different stats.
I can only guess that this is Browns attempt to actually make him a more complete player. At the start of his season he was telegraphing each run and there were 3 and upwards defenders prepared for him. If he brings more to his game like dummy runs, backing up breaks etc. then he will be far more effective to the team dynamic than he currently has shown.
Imagine the time when defenders don't know who to target and start leaving him with only 2 or maybe 1 defender in front of him - that is when we will see the best of him. Right now he is too easy a defensive target.

That was also my impression. He was always available for possession but never given the ball. I thought he was solid but not spectacular and this may be more to do with lack of subs meaning he had to do longer minutes.

Also can I say that I thought LMS put in a good shift. He was subbed late in the second half just in front of me and he looked absolutely shattered. 5 Minutes later he was back on.

Re: Salford stats : Sat May 31, 2014 7:00 pm  

St. Etrigan wrote:

Last night Saints used Mose in a completely different way than they did the week before. He was used more as a foil than a ball carrier.
He made himself available far more without ever getting the ball.

Not too sure why we would change his use after such a successful game against Huddersfield - but that was the reason for his completely different stats.
I can only guess that this is Browns attempt to actually make him a more complete player. At the start of his season he was telegraphing each run and there were 3 and upwards defenders prepared for him. If he brings more to his game like dummy runs, backing up breaks etc. then he will be far more effective to the team dynamic than he currently has shown.
Imagine the time when defenders don't know who to target and start leaving him with only 2 or maybe 1 defender in front of him - that is when we will see the best of him. Right now he is too easy a defensive target.

I was just going to post the very same thing, we seem to be overdoing the decoy bit with Mose, last week he was running onto the ball better and making impact. In my opinion they don't know how to play him, more so with our first choice props injured, what frustrates me most is most of the time he gets the ball semi static with 3 players on him straight away.

Re: Salford stats : Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:05 pm  

The Chair Maker wrote:

mose didn't take the ball up much, and his tackles were generally third man in flops.

His performance was not satisfactory IMO.

Last week he put the effort in. This week he was in dos mode.

His pre season injury cannot be used as an excuse anymore. Last week showed he was now upto hitting a higher level. The fact he hasn't done so, shows a lack of application.

I think Saints are in a bit of a bind re Mose, in that when we have a fit pack he should not be in the side due to lack of application. However there is no A team for him to serve his penance. So by not playing him, he would just pile weight on and lose fitness due to lack of any match action.

We lost 4 players and a few carried on with injuries, therefore we had no bench. Mose didn't get long enough rest periods and I think he was playing under instructions not to get involved in any energy wasting drives that can prolong his time on the pitch. Sometimes you need to sacrifice your own game for the good the the team.

Re: Salford stats : Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:09 pm  

St pete wrote:

Like I've posted and also told you, I'm basing my opinion on the games I've seen him play and I think he's poor. Your just caught up in the happy go lucky smiling Samoan so give him a easy ride.

But this is the Salford game stats thread. If the above is the case you shouldn't be commenting at all and stick to the threads of the games you attended

Re: Salford stats : Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:33 pm  

theblondebomber wrote:

But this is the Salford game stats thread. If the above is the case you shouldn't be commenting at all and stick to the threads of the games you attended

I didn't see the post where it said "for those who attended only". So your saying if you don't go any games, on holiday, ill or in work that you can't post on game threads or any threads regarding games ?


If so, the won't be much posting on this board. One of our mods lives in Yorkshire, are you saying he can't post on here?

Stats are there in black and white, I can see what the stats say, while they don't always show how the player actually played the is some aspects like carries which are there to see.

Re: Salford stats : Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:49 pm  

St pete wrote:

Stats are there in black and white, I can see what the stats say, while they don't always show how the player actually played the is some aspects like carries which are there to see.

Yeah, they're in black and white but they don't speak to the impact or importance a player has in a game. Look at the stats for Luke Walsh. They are terrible. 13 tackles and 6 missed. Three errors. Next to no ground covered. What the stats don't say, for example, is that of the 13 tackles made two were absolute peaches of try savers with Evalds on the way to the line clear ahead. They don't say either that one of the errors was a failed interception which would have taken the game for us pretty much. Nor do the stats say what a crucial role Walsh played in organising the team, especially once we lost players to injury. They don't speak to the quality of his kicks in play. In spite of all the sentimental gush over Paul Wellens (who himself made 3 but missed 2 tackles), Luke Walsh was my MoM because without him we would have been headless chickens, especially once Wilkin had gone. Based on stats alone and on your adherence to them in spite of your obvious ignorance, you would claim Walsh was gash. And you would be making a real fool of yourself by doing so, although you're making a fool of yourself anyway.

Re: Salford stats : Sun Jun 01, 2014 8:52 pm  

I wonder if in previous seasons teams who were top at this stage were as disgruntled with their team as people on here are with saints at the moment!?