Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:19 pm  

Twentyman wrote:

I wholeheartedly agree with you, mate. I was so excited when we signed this lad. I thought he'd bring that aggression and nastiness into our forwards that we'd badly lacked last season. So far though, he looks like he's on holiday, not working. We're carrying him, big time. He should be putting the fear of god into the oppositions minds when he comes off the bench but he's bread and butter for the opposition. Get Savelio in instead.

Exactly, I'd actually be happy to see him playing if I was the other team.

He's virtually dead with ball. I've never seen him make a one on one tackle (always 2nd or 3rd man), he's unfit most alarmingly he constantly runs back into the line with his back turned.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:24 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Walmsley isn't as effective imo when he isn't with Amor, which we saw at the start if the second half, didn't have much impact with Richards, and as soon as Amor comes on, we gain the front foot and walmsley looks like a world beater again. Richards will be able to do it is 5 years, imo, but he's not there yet (we talk about how young walmsley is for a prop at 24!)

Lms and Wilkin should share the 13 role, depending on the game for the rest of the year. Soliola can take the long minutes second row role with greenwood in the other starting role. Thompson/ Savelio/ Manu (when he's back) take the impact second row off the bench role. Lms and Wilkin will play better when they're competitive with each other at lock, greenwood deserves an extended run (despite being a little anonymous today) and soliola be "leader of the pack" as he plays a lot of minutes, and we keep some strike on the bench. If Wilkin is playing at lock I wouldn't put lms on the bench and vice versa, interchange with wellens (properly, not just after 60 minutes)

LMS shouldn't share the 13 role, he should be dropped. He's proven he's to small, lightweight and scared to be a front line prop. Today he's shown he can't defend in the edge to save his life so can't play second row.

Why should we put him in if he can't do his job?

He's a big time Charlie, walking around like he's got two rolls of carpet under each arm. He likes the show pony stuff of scoring a try but doesn't like the rough touch aspect of playing prop.

If he can't do his job of being a prop the don't play him and put someone on who will at least try!

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:32 pm  

St pete wrote:

LMS shouldn't share the 13 role, he should be dropped. He's proven he's to small, lightweight and scared to be a front line prop. Today he's shown he can't defend in the edge to save his life so can't play second row.

Why should we put him in if he can't do his job?

He's a big time Charlie, walking around like he's got two rolls of carpet under each arm. He likes the show pony stuff of scoring a try but doesn't like the rough touch aspect of playing prop.

If he can't do his job of being a prop the don't play him and put someone on who will at least try!

I didn't say prop, or second row, I said lock. Where, he has proven in the past, to be his best position.

I, also, didn't say he should be ahead of Wilkin right now so what I posted above doesn't preclude him being dropped in the short term

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:34 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I didn't say prop, or second row, I said lock. Where, he has proven in the past, to be his best position.

I, also, didn't say he should be ahead of Wilkin right now so what I posted above doesn't preclude him being dropped in the short term

The is better 13s at saints than him so he shouldn't play.

He's a embarrassing excuse for a rugby league player and a show pony. He belongs back at London in the championship which IMO is his level. He will love running thru semi pro players.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:38 pm  

St pete wrote:

The is better 13s at saints than him so he shouldn't play.

He's a embarrassing excuse for a rugby league player and a show pony. He belongs back at London in the championship which IMO is his level. He will love running thru semi pro players.

Who? Wilkin? He had just as bad a game today. Flanaghan? See my bit about "skating by on defence" charnock? Do we need another game maker when we can't win the forward battle? Soliola? Better in the second row.

Lms has his flaws, and is woefully out of form. But removing him forever just isn't an option in this day and age. So we have to use him to hamstring ourselves least.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:45 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Who? Wilkin? He had just as bad a game today. Flanaghan? See my bit about "skating by on defence" charnock? Do we need another game maker when we can't win the forward battle? Soliola? Better in the second row.

Lms has his flaws, and is woefully out of form. But removing him forever just isn't an option in this day and age. So we have to use him to hamstring ourselves least.

Jones, Wilkin, walker, Sia, Manu, Thomson have all played the 13 role and all played it better than LMS.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:52 pm  

St pete wrote:

Jones, Wilkin, walker, Sia, Manu, Thomson have all played the 13 role and all played it better than LMS.

Jones should be left at centre. (On another note, turner should be left out next week, Percival and jones as centres, and let turner put pressure on Percival to win his place back.)

Wilkin has played as badly since Wakefield away as lms. Personally, I think it's because both feel too comfortable in the side, hence play em off each other and compete for the shirt.

Sia is better further out wide, and I'd rather he was playing longer minutes, and being more involved in the leadership of the side.

Manu is injured, and is better served as more impact second row. He also wasn't in great form before he was injured either.

Walker and Thompson are young, and still unsure on whether they're ready to play week in week out. Especially if greenwood gets a good run (who is more deserving than either)

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:57 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

Jones should be left at centre. (On another note, turner should be left out next week, Percival and jones as centres, and let turner put pressure on Percival to win his place back.)

Wilkin has played as badly since Wakefield away as lms. Personally, I think it's because both feel too comfortable in the side, hence play em off each other and compete for the shirt.

Sia is better further out wide, and I'd rather he was playing longer minutes, and being more involved in the leadership of the side.

Manu is injured, and is better served as more impact second row. He also wasn't in great form before he was injured either.

Walker and Thompson are young, and still unsure on whether they're ready to play week in week out. Especially if greenwood gets a good run (who is more deserving than either)

So we stick Lms in just because he's Lms?

I'd rather play wello there than him.

Can't you see how awful this guy is? He's absolutely shocking!

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:00 pm  

St pete wrote:

So we stick Lms in just because he's Lms?

I'd rather play wello there than him.

Can't you see how awful this guy is? He's absolutely shocking!

Again, I've said he should be dropped for next week. I'm not defending his performance. What I am saying is, If and when he plays again, it should only be at 13. Same with Wilkin.

Play Wilkin next week at lock. If/ when he plays poorly, bring lms in and keep Wilkin out. If/when lms plays poorly drop him for Wilkin. Etc etc.

Re: masoe and the rest : Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:02 pm  

St pete wrote:

So we stick Lms in just because he's Lms?

I'd rather play wello there than him.

Can't you see how awful this guy is? He's absolutely shocking!

Worse than that he lacks self awareness still believing he is a superstar
and carrying on like one. Mr High Five