Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:08 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

LMS is copping some flack, as he did last year before moving to loose forward, where he was a revelation.

Was he a revelation, or did he just have a couple of good games?

He can't be trusted to put a proper shift in so he wouldn't make any team I was picking.

I'd send him to Rochdale for a couple of weeks and remind him that playing for Saints requires hard work rather than high fives and interviews.

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 2:53 pm  

The 17 for Leeds should be the ones that want it most. That's what we're lacking in, commitment.

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 3:42 pm  

FearTheVee wrote:

Was he a revelation, or did he just have a couple of good games?

He can't be trusted to put a proper shift in so he wouldn't make any team I was picking.

I'd send him to Rochdale for a couple of weeks and remind him that playing for Saints requires hard work rather than high fives and interviews.

Maybe revelation is stretching it a little, but who has had a better game at 13 in the last 12 months? 13 is a key position and he is the only player to honestly make an impact there.

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:05 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Maybe revelation is stretching it a little, but who has had a better game at 13 in the last 12 months? 13 is a key position and he is the only player to honestly make an impact there.

Not a bad shout actually, I'd go

Lomax
Makinson
Turner
Jones
Swift
Hohaia
Walsh
Amor
Roby
Walmsley
Flanaghan
Wilkin
LMS

Soliola
Savelio
Masoe
Richards (Or is he out? If he's out then Greenwood)

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:18 pm  

Lomax
Makinson
Percival
Jones
Swift
Hohiah
Walsh
Amor
Roby
Walmsley
Soliola
Flanagan
Wilkin

Masoe
Richards
Savelio
Wellens

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:18 pm  

SomersetSaint wrote:

Maybe revelation is stretching it a little, but who has had a better game at 13 in the last 12 months? 13 is a key position and he is the only player to honestly make an impact there.

His form in the second half of last season was outstanding and helped lead us into our period of good form.
He had a great game when we beat wigan and then followed it up with another great game against catalan, when he also filled in that player who started on Walmsley.
He has the potential to be not only effective, but extremely influential to the team.

He needs a rocket up his booty. Send him to Rochdale for a bit. At least someone like Ant Walker will put the graft in.

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:28 pm  

Offside Monkey wrote:

His form in the second half of last season was outstanding and helped lead us into our period of good form.
He had a great game when we beat wigan and then followed it up with another great game against catalan, when he also filled in that player who started on Walmsley.
He has the potential to be not only effective, but extremely influential to the team.

He needs a rocket up his booty. Send him to Rochdale for a bit. At least someone like Ant Walker will put the graft in.

I disagree on this. LMS has proven time and again, he looks good when things are going well, but doesn't have the ability to change momentum when things are going against us. He looks good at 13 because he can pick and choose when he gets involved, and can get away from doing hard graft.

That said, LMS at 13 gives us far more options for the game vs Leeds

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:16 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote:

I disagree on this. LMS has proven time and again, he looks good when things are going well, but doesn't have the ability to change momentum when things are going against us. He looks good at 13 because he can pick and choose when he gets involved, and can get away from doing hard graft.

That said, LMS at 13 gives us far more options for the game vs Leeds

I instantly thought of our first game at Sakfords new ground, in which we were losing, then he came in and played a blinder and we came back and won. That's only one game and it was two years ago, mind, but I do think he was at the forefront of our good perfromences last year.
He does look better when he starts at 13, and you're right, it because there's two other pros to do his work for him.

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:45 pm  

By all accounts Hohaia had a good game v Leeds.
That was when your pack beat the opposition forwards. Like any hb if your pack wins they have a good game, when they lose the hb's disappear.
The second half v Wigan both Hohaia & Walsh were anonymous, probably because the Saints pack lost their battle big time.
Yes, you may need a better 6 than Lance but the problem to me lies with your pack. Are they capable of winning in the big games? They equalled Wigan's forwards in the first half and went in half time at 3 tries each.
Two quick scores by Wigan early 2nd half and despite down to 2 subs the Wigan forwards won the battle of the packs very clearly.
If Saints want to get back to winning trophies so they have to reinforce the pack before anything.

Re: Starting 17 for Leeds : Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:53 pm  

I actually disagree.

Walsh was far from anonymous in the second half v Wigan. He was trying all he knew to pull something out to keep us in the game.

Whilst it may not have come off (mainly due to dropped ball) he did put in an effort.