Re: Wheeler : Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:19 pm  

exileinpietown wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by his game management? If you mean his attitude to training then if that improves because of a move I think it's a poor reflection on our man management. I think the lads simply injury prone and if he is then I can't see that changing wherever he goes. Just hope if it is true he doesn't come back to bite us. Missed this with rogues. The sum extent of my (confirmed) knowledge comes from a quote: Nathan Brown wrote: “He is obviously a talented player who has had an unfortunate run with injury – some probably through sheer bad luck and some through some of his own mismanagement. http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/109 ... ff_puzzle/ However speaking to a couple of people "in the know" there were bigger issues than attitude (I didn't enquire further as I was reassured they had been resolved) - if whatever they were have come back with a few good performances - aka he's slipped back into old habits - then only major change would be able to give him the kick to sort em out permanently - my fear is saints letting him go will be just that kick

exileinpietown wrote: I'm not sure what you mean by his game management? If you mean his attitude to training then if that improves because of a move I think it's a poor reflection on our man management. I think the lads simply injury prone and if he is then I can't see that changing wherever he goes. Just hope if it is true he doesn't come back to bite us. Missed this with rogues. The sum extent of my (confirmed) knowledge comes from a quote: Nathan Brown wrote: “He is obviously a talented player who has had an unfortunate run with injury – some probably through sheer bad luck and some through some of his own mismanagement. http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/109 ... ff_puzzle/ However speaking to a couple of people "in the know" there were bigger issues than attitude (I didn't enquire further as I was reassured they had been resolved) - if whatever they were have come back with a few good performances - aka he's slipped back into old habits - then only major change would be able to give him the kick to sort em out permanently - my fear is saints letting him go will be just that kick

Re: Wheeler : Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:22 pm  

half backs arnt props. If they've got the talent they'll be showing it by 19-21

Re: Wheeler : Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:19 pm  

Magic Superbeetle wrote: Missed this with rogues. The sum extent of my (confirmed) knowledge comes from a quote: http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/109 ... ff_puzzle/ However speaking to a couple of people "in the know" there were bigger issues than attitude (I didn't enquire further as I was reassured they had been resolved) - if whatever they were have come back with a few good performances - aka he's slipped back into old habits - then only major change would be able to give him the kick to sort em out permanently - my fear is saints letting him go will be just that kick That's where I'm puzzled with this whole matter. He has been fully fit now for the past couple of weeks as far as I'm aware and yet Lance Hohia drops out last Friday and he puts Wilkin in at stand off. If that's not giving out mixed messages then what is. So it now looks as if he's third choice stand off- if that- when only a few months ago Brown declared him the best at the club. I believe he's played at Rochdale today by the way.

Magic Superbeetle wrote: Missed this with rogues. The sum extent of my (confirmed) knowledge comes from a quote: http://www.sthelensstar.co.uk/sport/109 ... ff_puzzle/ However speaking to a couple of people "in the know" there were bigger issues than attitude (I didn't enquire further as I was reassured they had been resolved) - if whatever they were have come back with a few good performances - aka he's slipped back into old habits - then only major change would be able to give him the kick to sort em out permanently - my fear is saints letting him go will be just that kick That's where I'm puzzled with this whole matter. He has been fully fit now for the past couple of weeks as far as I'm aware and yet Lance Hohia drops out last Friday and he puts Wilkin in at stand off. If that's not giving out mixed messages then what is. So it now looks as if he's third choice stand off- if that- when only a few months ago Brown declared him the best at the club. I believe he's played at Rochdale today by the way.

Re: Wheeler : Sun Apr 13, 2014 9:44 pm  

exileinpietown wrote:

That's where I'm puzzled with this whole matter. He has been fully fit now for the past couple of weeks as far as I'm aware and yet Lance Hohia drops out last Friday and he puts Wilkin in at stand off. If that's not giving out mixed messages then what is. So it now looks as if he's third choice stand off- if that- when only a few months ago Brown declared him the best at the club.
I believe he's played at Rochdale today by the way.

I suppose:
A fully fit, hard-working, determined wheeler is the best 6 at the club
A (whatever is the real issue that was alluded to) wheeler doesn't get close.

I saw he played (along with Clare, Tilley and Richards) for Rochdale, but I can't find any report atm so have no idea how he (or any of the others, we also had players for Whitehaven!) went - though I did see he was chosen to play centre instead of standoff.

Re: Wheeler : Mon Apr 14, 2014 7:23 am  

There's a massive question mark over Gary Wheeler's integrity if we offer him a deal and he goes elsewhere. I know its a professional game, but we've invested an awful lot in him for practically 0 return.

We'll all be vexed off that he leaves, but in all likely hood, we'll see little comeback. If someone does manage to get him fit, then it may result in a kick up the booty for our conditioning staff.
You also can't miss something you've never had, we'll just have to regret that his potential has gone amiss.

If he's signed for anyone else, let alone Wigan, drop him. Let him skip training and (if rumours about his personal attitude to training and conditioning are true) by the time next season rolls around, he'll be so out of shape he'll be months of match fitness. Given how prone he is to injury, it'll take him to September to get on the pitch.

Re: Wheeler : Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:04 am  

Wheeler is a talent we all know that but his problem is his fitness and attitude to being a proffesional and looking after himself?
If Wheels has been offered a new contract by Saints and he's turned it down to sign for Wigan then he's a bigger Judas than Connelly.
If Saints are not offering him a contract then good luck to the lad were ever he goes.
Any of the above is a gamble as his fitness is a joke

Re: Wheeler : Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:21 am  

I know we are looking for a 6 so maybe we just cutting our losses on wheeler.

Re: Wheeler : Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:43 am  

Is Hohaia going?
If we could get Anasta on a Two year, I think that would be great. He might be looking for a longer deal, though. I think that would be the right length to bring in the young lads, especially given he could slot into the back row if/when they come good.

To be fair though, I'd like to see Charnock given some action this year. Given that is a problem position for us, I don't see us leaving him out for long.

Re: Wheeler : Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:54 am  

St pete wrote:

I know we are looking for a 6 so maybe we just cutting our losses on wheeler.

As I said previously Travis Burns is being targeted by Saints.

Re: Wheeler : Mon Apr 14, 2014 9:00 am  

Sounds like Brown has given up on him.