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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Thu Jan 02, 2014 8:00 pm  
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Without reverting back to the centre debate, I agree start with Jones- especially for big games early on. He is a defensive rock. But expect to see more of Percival as the season goes on if he is to progress.

I have no issue with Walsh I think his quality is un-questioned and as we where hoping for Dobson at one point last year, I think the club have found a real gem. His kicking game will be a massive difference, but here is where I do have an issue. His kicking game will be amazing if we are employing 2 kickers. Because that way defense's will not be able to close him down.

If we are going to send every kick his way then good teams will close him down and negate his kicking entirely. So that means Wilkin has to start every game to give a second kick option. You can be one of the best kickers in the world, but without a realistic second option you are easily closed down.

When Long had a SCully, Martyn, Hooper, Lyon with him, his kicks were very effective. But once he lost that back up and we only had the occasional hoof from Pryce, he was more easly shut down by the best teams like Leeds. They just targeted him and the team could not get down field.

I'd have been much happier to move Lance to a replacement 9 and have a moderate 6 with a moderate kicking game, than this so far failed experiment to turn him into a 6. When we played Leeds in our last game. Lance had ball in great attacking positions and his feet stuck like glue at times, just unknowing of what to do and his lack of a kick will hurt us.

The pack is arguably the best in SL. Anyone who thinks we have not improved here is deluded. Apart from 9 we could effectively run 2 different packs each week and they would be a match for most teams apart from Warrington, Wigan and Leeds (on a good day).

Other teams have lost quality too so that cannot be lost. I just feel a Sammut would have made the complete set for us.

I'd say top 3 and a final of some sort, after that it's all in the laps of the gods as to whether we win anything.


The with regards kicking, I think that one of the best things brown has brought is a much improved kicking game. Turner, and in particular Wilkin have improved drastically throughout the course of last season, and whilst neither are potentially good enough for the "kicker" tag, both make great back up options if Walsh is shut down. Also, I'd imagine they'll be playing on different sides of the pitch so there are options on both sides for the kick.

I'm all for lance to play as our replacement 9, unfortunately unless someone comes in sharpish (and this years transfers season seems to have gone on much longer than usual, and a few well placed loans could see someone else in - though who I don't know) well see lance at 6.

I'm surprised and happy to hear wheeler is training - though I'm slightly confused as to why at centre
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:07 pm  
Regardless of what anyone says, Last year wont have done you any harm!!, yeah it hurt the fans not winning anything, but you'll be a better side for it in the long run... besides which you made the play offs and gained valuable experience into your young kids and that's priceless. im genuinally not trolling,!!!! I am a wigan fan but not a blinkered one. You've made some decent signings in the off season to add to the core that went through last season, I will watch with no surprise if your in the top 3 next year.
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:28 pm  
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Not the end of the world, I'd rather he comes back right than makes it worse


The problems with him being out for 4 month could be a massive set back to him and for the club.

He's a big big guy, he will struggle to gain full fitness quickly due to his size and the fact he will he unable to get much game time when he's back as he will only be able to be used in small bursts. Penrith was only playing him 25 mins per game when he first Returned from injury for them.

A ankle injury isn't great for a 19st man to be putting weight on.

My biggest concern is him not being able to settle. Players say it's a long hard LONLEY road back to fitness and how they miss not being with the lads. It will be tough for a new guy, from another country trying to settle.
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:42 pm  
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The problems with him being out for 4 month could be a massive set back to him and for the club.

He's a big big guy, he will struggle to gain full fitness quickly due to his size and the fact he will he unable to get much game time when he's back as he will only be able to be used in small bursts. Penrith was only playing him 25 mins per game when he first Returned from injury for them.

A ankle injury isn't great for a 19st man to be putting weight on.

My biggest concern is him not being able to settle. Players say it's a long hard LONLEY road back to fitness and how they miss not being with the lads. It will be tough for a new guy, from another country trying to settle.

Sia was out for nearly his first full season with an ankle injury look at him now! Plus He'll have his mate Sia here as well
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Thu Jan 02, 2014 9:54 pm  
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Sia was out for nearly his first full season with an ankle injury look at him now! Plus He'll have his mate Sia here as well


Sia just loves it here and fitted in. Not many players settle in like he did, let's hope Mose is one of them that fit in like he did.
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:17 am  
I had high hopes for last year, so I'm trying to keep my optimism in a reasonable check.

We've recruited well, but we still have a fragile squad in some areas and I think the key to our success will actually hinge on how some of our current squad members perform and are used -

LMS - Showed wonderful form at the end of the season after a pathetic start. He is actually a very influential player for us. When he gears up and plays like he should, Saints as a whole are lifted.

Hohaia - Will all the good work by our new 1st receiver be wasted by Lance slowing everything down at 2nd? Will he continue to panic outwide in defence?

Wilkin - Is he realistically good enough to be selected in the backrow infornt of other, physically more capable players? Any game where Brown went with 3 pivots (+ fullback) last year was a disaster. IMO should be playing 6 (if not sold to Salford for some nice reddies).

Wellens - Not as good a fullback as Lomax, not as good a forward as a whole bunch of Saints players, not as good a half back as, well.....
If Brown insists on shoehorning him in somewhere, it will 4/5 times weaken our 17.

Boof - Time to step up, kangaroo.

Finishing inside the top 4 and a decent show in the cup is the minimum this squad should be achieving.
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:24 am  
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I'm surprised and happy to hear wheeler is training - though I'm slightly confused as to why at centre
Brown probably doesn't trust him to stay fit. If Lance is our other option at 6, then he needs all the training park time he can get. There's no point in letting Wheeler run there, only to drop out injured and leave Lance undercooked.
We've more genuine depth at centre, so he perhaps thinks its less of a problem if Wheeler crocks out again.
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Fri Jan 03, 2014 11:38 am  
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Brown probably doesn't trust him to stay fit. If Lance is our other option at 6, then he needs all the training park time he can get. There's no point in letting Wheeler run there, only to drop out injured and leave Lance undercooked.
We've more genuine depth at centre, so he perhaps thinks its less of a problem if Wheeler crocks out again.


If wheeler can't last a game at centre, then he's no chance at stand off where he's more involved.

Shame really as he's got good potential, he's a natural attacking player what we need at 6 and he's a top lad.
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Fri Jan 03, 2014 1:40 pm  
This Masoe situation got Josh Perry written a over it. Big guy, big rep, no pre season and will prob pick little niggles up when he gets back

Only thing in our favour is his age. Perry was nearing the end of his career but Mose not hit his peak yet.

Fingers crossed it's not as bad.
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Re: 2014 - The year of the saints? : Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:06 pm  
Injuries happen. Can't blame the club or the big fella for that. How you shape up afterwards is attitude. Fitness is these guys job. Pay me to go to gym everyday. I'll be whatever shape you want.
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