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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:14 am  
It can't be long until the NRL comes sniffing for Roby, Lomax and Walmsley and then we will be screwed.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:36 am  
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It can't be long until the NRL comes sniffing for Roby, Lomax and Walmsley and then we will be screwed.


One of the above is not far from going mate.

I'll await the thousand pms I'll get from this post but stuff it i don't care anymore if anything gets out.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 8:58 am  
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One of the above is not far from going mate.

My guess would be Robes, given that Jammer has been buzzing in his ear about going over there.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 9:01 am  
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My guess would be Robes, given that Jammer has been buzzing in his ear about going over there.


Robes going nowhere. One man club IMO.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:07 am  
I'd say Walmsley. I know the rumours of Lomax to Wigan have been denied, but it won't be long before a Wigan or a Warrington come in for him and why would he want to stay here?
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:56 am  
What I witnessed last night was an absolute shambles and I am so glad somebody has highlighted the fact that our biggest problem is NB comstantly changing the team before and during games. There is no more excuses of 'key players' being out injured or NB still settling in, it is clearly evident our biggest problem is we never have no fluidity in our play (attack more than defence) due to his constant tinkering. As far as I'm concerned its now damage limitation with our season, so what I'd like to see is our promising youngsters get a solid run in the team to at least give them good experience for next season and beyond. We have ageing players who under perform each week, and players on loan who are blocking the younger lads progression. At the end of the day it can't get any worse than this season has been so far and although they might occasionally struggle we at least know they want to play for the club and will give their all. If I had the power this is roughly what I'd go with now till the end of the season depending on injuries etc.....
Lomax
Swift
Turner
Percival
Makinson

Wheeler/Hohaia
Yates/Charnock

Puletua
Roby
Walmsley
Sia
Manu
Wilkin

Bench:
Hohaia (if Wheeler was fit)
Greenwood
Thompson
Jones/Walker

I would love to see what other people make of this team and how they think they would actually go!
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:10 pm  
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What I witnessed last night was an absolute shambles and I am so glad somebody has highlighted the fact that our biggest problem is NB comstantly changing the team before and during games. There is no more excuses of 'key players' being out injured or NB still settling in, it is clearly evident our biggest problem is we never have no fluidity in our play (attack more than defence) due to his constant tinkering. As far as I'm concerned its now damage limitation with our season, so what I'd like to see is our promising youngsters get a solid run in the team to at least give them good experience for next season and beyond. We have ageing players who under perform each week, and players on loan who are blocking the younger lads progression. At the end of the day it can't get any worse than this season has been so far and although they might occasionally struggle we at least know they want to play for the club and will give their all. If I had the power this is roughly what I'd go with now till the end of the season depending on injuries etc.....
Lomax
Swift
Turner
Percival
Makinson

Wheeler/Hohaia
Yates/Charnock

Puletua
Roby
Walmsley
Sia
Manu
Wilkin

Bench:
Hohaia (if Wheeler was fit)
Greenwood
Thompson
Jones/Walker

I would love to see what other people make of this team and how they think they would actually go!


For me Swift, Percival, Thompson, Greenwood with Wheeler/Charnock possibly being regular selections for the remainder of the season.
Howarth and O.Brien to return to their respective clubs, Lance should be paid off as I don,t think he looks all that interested in playing for the club.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:19 pm  
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What I witnessed last night was an absolute shambles and I am so glad somebody has highlighted the fact that our biggest problem is NB comstantly changing the team before and during games. There is no more excuses of 'key players' being out injured or NB still settling in, it is clearly evident our biggest problem is we never have no fluidity in our play (attack more than defence) due to his constant tinkering. As far as I'm concerned its now damage limitation with our season, so what I'd like to see is our promising youngsters get a solid run in the team to at least give them good experience for next season and beyond. We have ageing players who under perform each week, and players on loan who are blocking the younger lads progression. At the end of the day it can't get any worse than this season has been so far and although they might occasionally struggle we at least know they want to play for the club and will give their all. If I had the power this is roughly what I'd go with now till the end of the season depending on injuries etc.....
Lomax
Swift
Turner
Percival
Makinson

Wheeler/Hohaia
Yates/Charnock

Puletua
Roby
Walmsley
Sia
Manu
Wilkin

Bench:
Hohaia (if Wheeler was fit)
Greenwood
Thompson
Jones/Walker

I would love to see what other people make of this team and how they think they would actually go!


You've basically only changed the halves and started with Walsmsley.

Lets get back to basics this year IMO. We can focus on 2014 when this season ends. Lets pick a spine and stick with it for 2013 and try and build on it. I don't see the point in picking youngsters at 7 when Walsh is coming next year.

I would play wello fullback, its the only position he can play and still does a job there and is safe. I would put lomax and wilkin in the halves as lomax is a threat with the ball and wilkin can lead us around the park. Wilkin isn't a great halfback but he does try and organise us which nobody else can.


I'd like to go with : (bearing in mind we can still make the play offs and anything can happen then)

Wello
Swift
Turner
Percival
Makinson
Lomax
Wilkin
Thompson
Robes
Laffranchi (he's crap but nobody else)
Manu
Jones
TP

Hohaia
Walmsley
Greenwood
Lms

Its not much change but that's the squad we are blessed with but the important thing IMO is getting that spine sorted and getting the balance right. The halves offer so much more than O'Brian and wello does.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:21 pm  
StandObserver wrote:
What I witnessed last night was an absolute shambles and I am so glad somebody has highlighted the fact that our biggest problem is NB comstantly changing the team before and during games. There is no more excuses of 'key players' being out injured or NB still settling in, it is clearly evident our biggest problem is we never have no fluidity in our play (attack more than defence) due to his constant tinkering. As far as I'm concerned its now damage limitation with our season, so what I'd like to see is our promising youngsters get a solid run in the team to at least give them good experience for next season and beyond. We have ageing players who under perform each week, and players on loan who are blocking the younger lads progression. At the end of the day it can't get any worse than this season has been so far and although they might occasionally struggle we at least know they want to play for the club and will give their all. If I had the power this is roughly what I'd go with now till the end of the season depending on injuries etc.....
Lomax
Swift
Turner
Percival
Makinson

Wheeler/Hohaia
Yates/Charnock

Puletua ( not sure if he cares now he is moving on)
Roby
Walmsley
Sia (out for 10 matches)
Manu
Wilkin

Bench:
Hohaia (should be offered anywhere in my humble opinion)
Greenwood
Thompson
Jones/Walker

I would love to see what other people make of this team and how they think they would actually go!


We could put the academy out there and it will not change. There is a route and branch issue at the club with the playing staff. The players got Royce sacked. The players show lack of drive and professionalism. The players need a massive clear out. We could all name players who may do ok with better players around them.

Clough being one of them, however the poison looks to have spread and it needs cutting out.

I'd seriously only have a few untouchables.

Lomax
Turner
Roby
Walmsley
Sia
Manu


That's it for me. They are decent quality and they are professionals who show drive. The rest should be all up for chopping. I know this exposes peoples personal favourites, like Makinson, but it also includes my own like Walker and Percival.

To go certainly: Wellens, Meli, Ade, LMS, Laffranchi, Perry, TP, Howarth, Wilkin, Clough, Flanagan,
The rest should be open for discussion but even Percival, Walker, Makinson, Jones should all be considered as under threat.

Brown and the entire coaching staff should also be under consideration as they have performed worse than Rush. Whilst Rush may have had run in's with certain players and was not the most entertaining coach he can drill a side. If a part time stand in can do that, then Brown should be able to at least do that. But also KC has to be brought into this, we can't maintain this attitude of oh they were a great servant, is there a job for them on the coaching staff.

We need to be rebuilt. I'm happy to see if Brown can do this but his lack of awareness of what the fans and club are seeing on the field is scary.
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Re: Tinker tinker enough enough : Sat Jun 29, 2013 12:27 pm  
From an outsider looking in it sounds to me as if McManus has had far too much influence on recruitment and retention over the last few years and now you're resorting to signing our cast-offs.
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